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Air Traffic Controller Errors Soaring, Government Watchdog Reports

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WASHINGTON — Errors by air traffic controllers in the vicinity of airports as well as incidents in which there was an unauthorized plane, vehicle, or person on a runway have increased sharply, a government watchdog said in a report released Thursday. Mistakes by controllers working at radar facilities that handle approaches and departures within about 30 miles of an airport that cause planes to fly too close together nearly doubled over three years ending in March, the Government Accountability… (www.huffingtonpost.com) עוד...

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preacher1
preacher1 0
Not much new here. I think increased traffic from 2004 to 2010 would account for the higher incident rate. If they took it a step further and factored in that increase, it may have actually gone down on a % basis.
As far as controller errors, the article mentions that Babbitt himself said they had a better error reporting system, so in that respect, we don't know what went unreported from the git go. Personally, I think they do a damn good job. It's kinda like the air crashes and pilot errors. All you hear about are the bad ones from which no recovery was made.You never hear about all the success stories where somebody does what they are supposed to.
haroldrutila
haroldrutila 0
N90 is the New York TRACON. Most complex airspace in the world!
preacher1
preacher1 0
Thanks, I just never got up that way much for it to be familiar and FA would not pull it up on their Airport ID.
atsdroid
Andrew Skretvedt 0
First heard about this on FOXNews' Fox Report either this past Fri or Sat. They gave it the typical MSM alarmist treatment, but also put forward the notion that some of the increase may be due to increased self-reporting of errors which previously might have been held back for risk of receiving punishment.

I guess the FAA has been encouraging a no-fault reporting of operational errors, with the rationale that to really go to the heart of improving the situation, you must have good data about what's _really_ going on. Remove risk of sanction, you maybe get more self-reporting, and then the agency can better analyze trend and implement better safety improvements on an organization-wide basis.

Sort of a no-harm/no-foul, but tell us so we can work on making things better. It reminds me of NASA's ASRS system many pilots may use to self-report blunders without risk of a punitive response based solely on making the report.

So, I am not sure if this news is emblematic of a dangerous new trend, or merely a revealing of the underlying reality of ATC which had hitherto been hidden in a dark corner. Either way, the data will be used to drive improvements, and if you felt safe flying yesterday, you ought to feel AS safe tomorrow.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Well, the article says this as well about reporting. Probably the dark corner is correct.I forget the name of it but the Airlines have a similar program. The 2 AA pilots that had the problem the other day used it on their reporting that 2 go round pressurization problem
Topper1
W S Webb 0
DOT LaHood at National Press Club said delays are up. 74% on time arrival. Now GAO says "deals" doubled. Babbitt agrees.

March 27, 1977 on an airport runway on the Spanish island of Tenerife in the Canary Islands when two Boeing 747s collided, killing 583 people.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Mr. Webb: I don't want to sound ignorant or naive here but what are you talking about in your 2 previous comments talking 30 and 34 years ago??
Topper1
W S Webb 0
The Tenerife incident is the signature event of runway incursions. Mostly in the transportation insurance business. It was reference in the "Huff Post" political article. In my center after computer's started generating targets, computer programs were developed to spot less than 5 miles. Under longitudinal and lateral non radar rules one can have aircraft separated but when targets appear on the display you have less than 5 miles and target overlap with the target generator (especially in the way the targets are orientated to the radar site). N204TA points out problems of safe in trail operations but the aircraft targets are not precisely separated by the computer. We had the same air traffic management problems in 1981 as are today. Its called "management embarrassment" or "lack of faith" in the workforce. For anybody that is dealing with or applying air traffic safety references to "body counts" or "Airplanes are not running into each other" is very dangerous. Controllers "control" the traffic and are not after the fact referees.
haroldrutila
haroldrutila 0
Controllers are no longer being assigned to high-level terminal facilities like N90, LAX, ORD, DTW, etc. right out of the academy. They can still go to a Center, but centers have well established training cirriculum compared to the terminal facilities. That became effective sometime this year.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Just outa curiosity, where is N90?????????????
s2v8377
s2v8377 0
I love slow news days!!!
N204TA
N204TA 0
As a radar controller I can't speak to the increase in runway incursions or other surface errors, but I can tell you that the vast majority of the airborne errors are due to the new computer program monitoring all aircraft every day. 2.99 miles when you need 3 is a reportable event. 3.99 miles behind a Boeing 757 when you need 4 is an operational error. Pilots reading back clearances but not using their callsign is a controller error.

Not much has changed in my 21 years of ATC and safety is not on a downslide. Airplanes are not running into each other!

TA - DFW TRACON controller, Airline Transport Pilot, Flight Instructor
preacher1
preacher1 0
As much as I have done DFW over the years, we are bound to havl talked at sometime. As I said earlier, I wouldn't want to be up there without you guys. I understand what you are saying on the error count. Just for what it's worth, LaHood announced yesterday that he will not take the job again if OBAMA Gets reelected
ATCguy1
ATCguy1 0
The past five years or so, the FAA has been on a hiring spree and taking quantity over quality, as far as new hires. Many of the new controllers are inexperienced and being put in facilities that are above their skill level.(i.e.ORD,LAX,JFK,ZNY,N90) Because of this, many incidents have occured and the lack of reporting goes right back to management. Either they turn their back or do a totally 180 and try to crucify you for it. I've seen it at my past and present facility. There are many changes that need to be made.

Thank you to Wayne for the complement.
Topper1
W S Webb 0
What year is this? 1981
preacher1
preacher1 0
Don't know which facilty you are at, but especially the ones you mention above plus several others, I sure as hell would want to try and get in there own my own. It's pretty nice to start talking 100 miles or so out or even to center enroute and know somebody is watching out for you. I have been out in the middle of nowhere at times and center comes up with an unplanned heading or altitude change to avoid an upcoming conflict that I'm not even aware of. That type of looking keeps that from becoming a TCAS issue or worse.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Correction: I would NOT want to try and get in there own my own

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