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16-year-old survives in wheel well of Maui flight

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A 16-year-old boy stowed away in the wheel well of a flight from California to Hawaii on Sunday, surviving the trip halfway across the Pacific Ocean unharmed despite frigid temperatures at 38,000 feet and a lack of oxygen, FBI and airline officials said. (news.yahoo.com) עוד...

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TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 58
>> The sad thing is he claimed he had more leg room than the last time he flew coach.

^ Top comment on this story on CNN.
iflyifr
iflyifr 6
Spirit Airlines just got another ideal. 2 pax each wheel well = more $....
chalet
chalet 6
And cheaper too
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 3
Has to be a top 5 comment all time on Squawk.
speedbird347
Derek Vaughn 5
I just don't understand how he could have survived the lack of oxygen at 38,000 ft. I just can't buy this story.
alan75035
alan75035 5
This would be considered "first class" on Spirit.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
You mean exempt from in-flight add-on charges?
alan75035
alan75035 3
Hypoxia & frostbite, no extra charge.
pthomas745
Pa Thomas 12
In other news, San Jose Airport security exposed as an expensive fraud.
joelwiley
joel wiley 6
I have some doubts about this story. 4 1/2 hours at fl 360+ where the ambient temp is around -70 F and 23% of sea level O2 without effect? No indication of frostbite? What is the ambient temp in the wheel well? I'd think it more likely that he flew in the cargo section and the baggage handlers overlooked him. Not saying he's not in the islands (disclosure: am a bit jealous), but am skeptical about the seating arrangement.

I just imagine what Adam said to get bounced.
yr2012
matt jensen 2
That's assuming the outside ambient temp was that. Most likely it was -20 to -40F that day. Either way it's damned cold, but airflow into the wheel well is non-existent.
StarFlyr
StarFlyr 1
Never ridden with the "rubber", but I saw a report that initially there was some warmth from the tires. Also there are lots of hydraulic fluid lines in the wheel wells that provide a bit of heat there. The jest of the article was that the wheel wells are about 20 degrees warmer than the outside air, but still cold.

However, the lack of O2 for 5+ hours should have at least done some serious brain damage. I read also that there have been around 100 cased of "going wheel well" and about 25% survived.
Flightdog
Roger Curtiss 1
Difficult to ascertain the extent of brain damage on someone who decided to fly for 5+ hours in a wheel well to begin with.

I do not believe this story.
tarbaby
phil gibson 2
I'm like you......that story doesn't even pass the smell test. I believe it's a movie story in the making. There is no way, other than having been in the pressurized and heated baggage hold, to have made it at that altitude for that period of time. Just like that deal a few years ago, where that kid was claimed to have been up in that ballon alone, when in fact he never was there. This wheel baloney is exactly what it is.......baloney!
clabo
gene kwiecinski 1
Hypoxia, I can't speak to, because with the cold he may have just slipped into torpor and had a reduced O2 requirement, like those kids who fall into frozen lakes and don't quite turn into kidsicles, but do survive nevertheless.

As for the temps, it might in fact be -70 outside, but it's an enclosed area (not an open-wheeler like a 737), and there should be enough thermal mass from the wheels, struts, tires, hydraulics, etc., that *were* at ambient temp when on the ground overnight (even quite warm if warmed by the sun), that leaked residual heat into the compartment once the gear was raised and the doors shut. No forced-air convection to cool them down, so it would've been like someone in a flimsy tent with warm rocks pulled inside from the now-extinguished campfire. Still cold, but enough residual heat to make it not quite as cold as outside temps.

Hell, igloos -- made of ice! -- can keep temperatures inside to 50F or even 70F (see wikipedia) just from body-heat.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
oh; he was talking real reckless....I kind of feel like you though on the seating arrangment.
Yazoo
Yazoo 3
I met a flight at the gate and debriefed the crew and where a man stowed away in the wheel well of a B767. (Jan 2007) It was an 8+ hour flight. The stowaway was frozen to the landing gear. Ground crew had to wait for his body to thaw before they could remove the remains.
I don't believe this story. Like Joel Wiley wrote the atmospheric conditions are not survivable. No news agency has even reported that the stowaway sustained even frostbite.
I believe that he was in the cargo bin or E&E compartment. Contrary to the ABC news "expert" that he couldn't have been in the cargo bin because the the containers, those containers are not always full. They often presort the bags by destination to make transfer faster. There is also a bulk cargo area on the 767 for last minute bags, and other items.
stevooz
steve rogers 4
ok do the math 5 hours at - 70 he would have been a pop sickle , he had to be in the cargo hold .
ghataks
Surojeet Ghatak 1
I bet folks remember the tragic Payne Stewart Lear Jet accident. That plane was only at FL290 and the passengers probably died of oxygen starvation well before the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. In this case, even allowing for a reduced metabolic rate given the low temperatures, I find it hard to believe that there can be no lasting brain damage. Take a frozen steak out of your fridge and see how long it takes to defrost at 80F. I bet it's at least a couple of hours. The story doesn't add up.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Alternatively, take a 6 pound prime rib roast at 98 deg and put it at say -40 (C or F doesn't matter at that point) and chart the temp over 5 hours. That doesn't address the hypoxia issues.
http://www.hypothermia.org/fieldchart.htm
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Do you mean frozen solid? Through and through? Good grief! As I think more about this event, even if there had been slight topical freezing, it would kill the tissue - he would end up with amputations. Maybe he was wearing sub-zero protective gear? We'll probably never know.
rjhartmann
Robert Hartmann 2
Some do survive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wheel-well_stowaway_flights
yr2012
matt jensen 2
Don't send him back, forward him to Somalia!
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 2
There is a bleed air duct passing through the wheel well and that may have given off enough heat to stop him freezing to death.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Granted, but is has never been a factor before and was not mentioned in this cases. Seems like the other publicized cases were 737 and 747. I flew a 757 for years and flew a 67 some last year and did not know that. Really had no reason to. Is that duct pass thru unique to the 67?
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 0
I grabbed a picture of a news reporter sitting in the same position in a 767 in storage in the desert. You can clearly see the bleed air duct. However we will have to wait for the FAA report to be sure, if they decide to test the temperature in the wheel well.
Picure: http://internationalflyerz.co.za/index.php/topic,20989.msg49314.html#msg49314
joelwiley
joel wiley 2
Interesting. With the pics of the bleed air duct above and video of footprints on the tire and doors below, it indicates someone was there at some time, and the temps might be survivable. Think head in an open-door 400 deg oven next to the igloo in winter

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-stowaway-footsteps-found-20140423,0,2445686.story?track=rss
preacher1
preacher1 3
That place is not all that spacious though; just makes you wonder how he kept from getting crushed on retraction or from falling out on landing, particularly if he was in a semi-conscious state. Oh well, no disputing that he is there.LOL
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
No ideas about not getting crushed, but the falling out thing? Perhaps he secured himself with ropes or some such thing.
preacher1
preacher1 1
He would have had to do something if he was pretty much immobilized. I didn't look at the flight graph and am not that familiar with the approach to HNL, but unless they were low prior to landing and he thawed out some and could hold on, idk. They did talk like he was in the airport early so he might have had the presence of mind to do something, although none of the stories had any reference to it. To boot, they all said he didn't know where he was going.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Luck of the Irish perhaps?
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 1
Apparently he only came out of his state of incapacitation an hour after being found.
smoki
smoki 1
OK, but how much oxygen could he get from this bleed air duct that, oxygen that is required to be under pressure to be effective for survival at that altitude? Did he breath hot engine bleed air from a leak? All such questions are rhetorical.
There can be but one explanation: This story is sensationalized fiction.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 2
Minimum fine for Airline security breach is $10k. Airport to blame also.
DUTCH750i
theo schefferlie 2
What really baffles me is, that the young man must have flunked his geographic classes in high school, after all he did flew the wrong way to Somalia.
tarbaby
phil gibson 2
Have the parent(s) even claimed him?
fireftr
Dale Ballok 2
I'm no medical expert, but do have some medical and airline experience, being a retired 32 yr veteran firefighter who also has 15 yrs with a major airline as a baggage handler. I'll pass on commenting on the possibility of surviving in the wheel well. Granted a lot of the details of the story are sketchy, but what I do know is:
1. If this was the first flight of the day for this aircraft, and he was in the wheel well, aside from breaching the security fence, there was a MAJOR breakdown of ramp security. That plane should have been inspected by the ramp crew and also by the Captain doing his pre- flight walk around.
2. As to his cleanliness after landing... not all wheel wells are grease pits. What if it were a fairely new plane?
3. Not everyone who stowed away in a wheel well got crushed. No, there's not much extra room, but if he did ride in there, he was extremely lucky.
4. It was reported he scaled the fence about 1:00am or so. In that case, if normal security procedures were being used, the cargo doors should have been shut and equipment pulled away from the and after being downloaded from its last inbound flight.
5. This was a wide body 767. The cargo compartments are not accessible from the ground without the use of some type of elevating equipment.
6. I highly doubt that he rode in the cargo compartment, as he would have been found when the plane was unloaded. To answer the question about getting into the cargo compartment from the wheel well: no you can not.
konatom
T Economou 1
Comment on the Captains pre-flight...Now that you mention it, I used to see Captains do walk arounds...until a few years ago. Since then, I often get to the gate 1 or 2 hours before departure..and I don't recall ever seeing anyone doing a walk around...almost always this very early and first flight of the day for this aircraft. I see only baggage handlers on the ramp. I DO often see captain and first officer arrive at departure gate a half hour before departure, bleary eyed...walk through the jetway and to flight deck.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
You know...people can laugh and joke all they want about this "stowaway". The question is ...how did he breach and walk the tarmack and slip into the "67" wheelwell without anyone noticing?? If he can do it...why not somebody else who thinks the US of A is something to destroy because they don't like the way we live our life. And they're getting the TSA to investigate? Are you kidding me?
konatom
T Economou 1
Speaking of pre flights...I used to see them all the time but over the last few years I've been curious as to why not. Its almost always first flight of the day for the aircraft (early) and its normal to see the captain and first officer show up at the gate about 30-45 minutes before departure. They go directly through the jetway to the flight deck. I thought perhaps things have changed since I stopped flying but now I'm wondering...
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
If this story is true, that airline is in for one huge fine from the FAA.
Bullfryer
James Carfield 1
Is it possible he was near the outflow valve where the warm from the cabin is vented to regulate interior pressure? That might explain keeping a tad bit warmer. Did he bring o2 with him?
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I suggested that a few hours ago but no one reacted to it, so I figured "no". I also wondered if that air was oxygenated.
ghataks
Surojeet Ghatak 1
Something doesn't add up. Theory 1: stowed away in wheel well, froze up, reduced metabolic rate reduced body demand for O2 and he survived. Question: ever figure out ho long it takes a frozen steak to thaw even at 85F? I'd say at least an hour or two. Hoe was the boy coherent and in full possession of his mental faculties within minutes of the plane landing? Not to mention he was defrosted and his body devoid of frostbite symptoms. Theory 2: was located next to bleed air duct in wheel well and therefore didn't freeze. Question: I'd guess lasting brain damage would be inevitable in that case. The boy seemed by all accounts in decent enough shape to be walking around on the ramp.
Anybody remember the Payne Stewart Lear Jet loss of pressurization accident? That flight was a lot shorter and lower (FL290). I'm going with his initially checking out the wheel well but ultimately hiding in the plane or cargo compartment.
speedbird347
Derek Vaughn 1
Agreed. There's a media agenda behind this story, and the vast majority of people have excepted it at face value. That is disturbing. I guess he also could have just fallen from the International Space Station. Nevermind how it happened, it just happened.***
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 1
You may be right, maybe somebody doesn't want to admit a flaw in security. He may have hidden in the wheel well until the baggage containers were there and then sneaked into one of them. Also managed to get out unseen upon arrival.
wschrabi
wschrabi 1
unbelievable, if this is true and not a lie then I really Thank God for this happening!
renehueppi
Rene J Hueppi 1
I still wonder how he got there - security? Every terrorist can do that too ...with 20% chance to survive, other terrorists normally 0%
Oliversmall14
Oliver Tregoning 1
I canamagine the pilot before he takes off on his next flight when he inspected the plane and the weels he just sees a dead body I'd be shit scared at work today I found a dead man
JakeDickson
Jake Dickson 1
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Go figure...reporting at its best! Who cares about those little details anyways. lol
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
FYI...That video states the boy was seen exiting the left-side main wheel well, not the front.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
And FYI...here's a cut and paste from the accompanying article "Airport surveillance video shows a 15-year-old stowaway easing his way out of a jetliner's front wheel well and stepping onto the tarmac in Hawaii after miraculously surviving a five-hour flight from San Jose, Calif., in the unpressurized compartment, authorities said today." The audio version says the left-side main wheel well.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
There is now a news article claiming airport security has a video showing the boy climbing down out of the front wheel well, but during the investigation, it won't be released.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/stowaway-video-exiting-planes-wheel-death-defying-flight/story?id=23402777#
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
As I stated earlier... The cargo compartments were inaccessible from the ground. The cabin door would be closed and secured overnight. So how did he get into either of those areas of the plane?
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
What do you mean by " media agenda"? Are you asserting that the media set this whole thing up? If so, for what reason? No one is accepting this whole thing at face value. It's just that you have to rely on FACTS, not rumors, half- truths, or speculation. Apparently, no one has any concrete facts to disprove the hypothermia/hypoxia theory. No one yet even knows which wheel well he may have been in. People can survive a situation that many others can't, given luck and the right conditions.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Who are you communicating with?
rarebear14
Dolf Brouwers 1
Impossible !!!! he must have been in a pressurized compartment....
preacher1
preacher1 1
I would have thought so too, but national media is showing his footprint pictures on the inside of the gear door and on a couple of the tires. It looks like he would have fell out and hit the water when the gear lowered.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
He probably jumped out of the baggage hold and jumped up in the gear....putting his footprints everywhere...of course that's probably more hype of the media....
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I don't know. All those footprints looked like the instructions for the eskimo shuffle at the Arthur Murray Dance Studio. Sure are a lot of them for just jumping in at the end.
jamorowitz
josh morowitz 1
Several have speculated about oxygenated air leaking into the wheelwell. The air inside the aircraft is not more oxygenated than outside, it is pressurized. (This causes a higher effective oxygen level.) if you unpressurize it, it is the same as the outside air.
jbermo
jbermo 1
If your going to stowaway on a Boeing, then choose the left wheel well as that is where you will find an 11" diameter hot stainless steel bleed duct running through to the cabin.

Won't help with oxygen requirements though - young and athletic stamina is required for that - and with lots of luck. . .
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
I get why there's so much skepticism, but don't get why so many are saying that survival is utterly impossible, when statistics say otherwise. I just came across this:

Most wheel well stowaways don't survive, falling victim to frigid temperatures and lack of oxygen. The chances of survival of a wheel well stowaway on a commercial aircraft are about 24 percent, according to the Federal Aviation Administration's Civil Aerospace Medical Institute.

"From 1947 through 2014, including the April 20, 2014, incident, there have been 94 flights worldwide involving 105 people who stowed away [in unpressurized compartments]," the FAA said in a statement. "Of those 105 people, 80 died and 25 survived."
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
Unless these figures take into account altitude/time above 15/20,000' they are meaningless as it relates to this particular incident!
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
How many flights are there that aren't above 15/20,000? I think the figures are definitely valid, even as it relates to this incident.
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
NOT IN 1947!!
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Casting doubt based on one year out of almost 70 years is kind of nit-picking. I'd rather trust the statistics than all of these theories and guesses. Hopefully, the answer will be uncovered. I hope it's a hoax but sadly I don't think it is. I read somewhere that there's a video of him jumping down from the wheel well, although I haven't seen it.
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
C'mon!! That's only the statistical "base" year! Over? That's my point......the data needs portrayal on a "spread sheet"/graph indicating, by incident, alt,time,etc for the whole 67 years!! With out that..... no empirical conclusion can legitimately be drawn. This isn't rhetoric/repartee!! I'd really like to know!Over??
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
More fun with numbers. 103 reported cased, 23 survivals, 80 fatalities, 15 that fell out misses something. These are the reported cases but it's impossible to know how many go unreported. How do you estimate the 'fallout' on over-water approaches, or locations where another odd body isn't newsworthy enough to be reported? Is anyone keeping statistics on two-legged runway incursions which represent failed attempts?

I think the bigger issue is airport security or how they got in to make the attempt!
pilot62
Scott Campbell 1
And better air quality
gossend
gossend 1
not buyin' it
clearfortakeoff83
Zach Katona 1
While certainly glad, I'm also in disbelief that this kid survived. Think of all the odds he overcame and to come out of that unharmed?? Wow.
smoki
smoki 1
It is humanly impossible to withstand the subzero temps (like minus 70) and at that otherwise pressure breathing required altitude and survive it for that length of time. This story has got to be BS. It doesn't come even close to passing the smell test.
tarbaby
phil gibson 1
Must have been a slow day on the media wagon.......:)
annellandfrank
John Taylor 1
There has got to be a whole,whole,whole lot more to this story!!! FL380,no O2,unconscious, no heat.....no way!!
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 1
Unless he was in a baggage container and very stealthily made his way to the wheel well after landing without being seen, and then pretended to be unconscious.
canuck44
canuck44 1
If you have a single digit IQ a little hypoxia probably won't take it lower. The concept of the diving reflex is the only valid explanation assuming there was no O2 escape from the interior of the aircraft.
Roaether
Roaether 1
Its amazing that he is alive but like they said, this could be a HUGE security risk. I mean, if that was a terrorist with some explosive device that just snuck onto a plane almost completely undetected, we could have a huge issue.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Agreed, but in reality, while we may get groped and poked at the terminals by the TSA, I can name you a bunch of airports across the country that may have TSA screening in the terminal but nobody patrolling the perimeter fence, and not just Podunk ones but several of fair size.
Roaether
Roaether 1
True. We have decent at our airport (KCVG). We have seen them several times when we were taking pics of planes, and have been pulled over once by airport security for slowing down on a road that circles the airport while taking a good shot of a 747.

I can say to that another airport near me has almost none. Although it is a small airport, Lunken Airport (KLUK) has almost no one patrolling it. Mostly Learjets and small single engines go in and out, but there is the occasional 737 in and out.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, truthfully, at a private or GA field you can't really expect it, but at a field where TSA is in the house for commercial pax, there needs be on field security in the same manner. As we disussed earlier, what good does it do to grope and poke inside, when somebody can walk right up on the tarmac to the plane and do harm to it.
Roaether
Roaether 1
Yes, I know that they don't usually have it at GA. KLUK is kind of a cross of half GA and half commercial (well, more GA then Commercial, but we still have a few airlines in there, namely ultimate air shuttle, and a few charters). just kinda saying because we have some larger planes in and out of there with virtually NO security at all
kwu20001
kev wu 1
Wow, thats one crazy kid to be in a wheel well of a flight
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
I glad he survived.....make him a diver or fighter pilot

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winga34
Cameron Mitchell -2
You're an idiot.

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kwu20001
kev wu -1
Lets all be mature adults (Unless if your a 5 year child) and not cuss in public. Especially on the internet!
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell -3
I was really about to go out of character, I am of color by the way, but I am only going to say this..... like the other Mr. Mitchell said; you are an idiot.
chalet
chalet 1
This story as well as that of the Salvadorean who was adrift in the Pacific for 8 months surviving on birds and fish he caught with his bare hands and when found he was healthier than ever............ a lot of bull´s who know what.
arunhn
Arun Nair 0
Was this a 767 aircraft?
nasdisco
Chris B -1
767-300. I'm struggling to understand how he survived unless the cold forced his body into the state that people fall into when submerged underwater in frozen lakes.
wbnethery3
Bryan Nethery 0
My understanding of one story I read was just that line of thinking - hypothermia offsets hypoxia... seems like pure luck he survived the landing without falling out if he was unconscious.
levyharaivan
Ivan Levy-Hara 0
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/21/us/hawaii-plane-stowaway/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
hemigpaw
Lynn Armbruster -2
no way you can survive that
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
So you're saying all the people that saw him alive were just imagining it???

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 10
Maybe we should just flog you for being a turd!!!

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kwu20001
kev wu 3
Adam, we don't need to bring politics into a aviation website. This is about AVIATION and NOT liberal/conservative ideals. (Also I am asking you kindly to refrain from obscene language)
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
this has nothing to do with politics; this dude is just voicing racist views from behind the protection of a computer.

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onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell -2
you were the first to mention race.....and I am done
kwu20001
kev wu -1
Same as me.... if I were you Adam, I would stop arguing because you are hopelessely outnumbered
btweston
btweston -1
Oh, shut up. If your first thought after reading this story involves flogging... Just shut up.

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winga34
Cameron Mitchell 0
Stop Adam, you're making an idiot out of yourself.
jcarey805
Jeff Carey 0
He is a redneck idiot. No school. No sense. Let it pass. He is of no consequence,

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kwu20001
kev wu 1
Adam, no one here appreciates you bringing your conservative ideals into a website dedicated to Aviation and aviation ONLY!
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 0
Cameron don't subject yourself to this foolery.
preacher1
preacher1 2
Dang, with all the suspension notes and comments, it looks like I missed a good argument. LOL.
Back to the article, you really got to wonder how he made it.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I think the 767 was one of your birds for a while, what are accommodations like in the wheel wells? Is there any reason the temps in the well would be any higher than outside?
We do seem to have missed some memorable comments- takes a lot to get bounced. 8-)
preacher1
preacher1 2
I have never seen any plane that would have decent accommodations in the wheel well. All are designed as utilitarian, i.e. barely enough room for their intended purpose, creature comfort not being one of those. After a short period of time, I couldn't see a reason for a temperature difference. You wouldn't have the wind but that would be the only thing. That would just add to a lower temperature anyway.
You are correct on the comments. I have seen some pulled down that you could call up anyway but never a User suspended. Must've gotten rank. LOL. Tim Mitchell is a friend of mine, a younger man, and as he says, one of color. Takes a bit to stir him up.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I also don't believe they are heated either.LOL
veil26
rebecka veil 0
As a relatively new pilot, I've been coming back to this thread every few hours just to see if any of the more experienced folks advance a theory as to what really happened. I may not know much, but I'm seriously doubtful about the wheelwell survival story.
preacher1
preacher1 1
There are a lot of well experienced folks on her that don't understand it either, as noted by some of the comments above. I am more partial to the cargo or baggage hold but I wasn't there. The only thing I know for sure is that it was a ride I wouldn't want to take, and it seems to be that however he came, he is alive and OK. Past that, I'll not speculate other than to say that anybody else spending that amount of time at that altitude is dead.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
I wonder if there's something medical that's not fully known that made it possible. One guy up above read something about hypothermia overcoming hypoxia...
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
Is it feasible this air duct mentioned earlier released not only warm air from inside the aircraft, but oxygenated air as well? Wouldn't keep him cozy, but maybe made the event survivable?
preacher1
preacher1 1
idk. The only thing I'll say for sure is that if he is in as good a shape as they say he is in and if he was for a fact in the wheelwell, he won't be the first survivor but he'll be the first survivor for that altitude and time. I cannot believe there was not at least some frostbite at that altitude and time, hypoxia without a doubt.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
There was a news item elsewhere that reported a survival rate of 20-25% for wheel-welling. Don't know where they got the figures. That sounds high unless very short flights.
preacher1
preacher1 1
That's about twice the distance of that US Air that kid hopped from CLT-BOS a couple years back, and he didn't make it, of course the fall may have killed him
xairbusdriver
Jim Smirh 1
Actually, it's not the fall that kills... it's the sudden stop at the end! :groan: I'm a retired pilot and am still having trouble believing this story. I read the 'survival rate' figures, also. But there was no attribution with them, who knows where those survivable flights were? Altitude? Duration? etc. Perhaps the relatively slow decrease in O2 along with a somewhat faster rate of temperature lowering helps, especially if the body is young and healthy? I'm glad he survived, just hope it doesn't cause copy-cats!
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 1
The thing is, they found him unconscious in the recess in the wheel well according to what I read. So it seems logical to assume that he couldn't have made his way to or from the cargo holds or E&E compartment. In any event there is no direct access from the wheel well to any of those compartments.
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 2
Actually, the article states he jumped down from the wheel well and was found wandering around on the tarmac.
carlsonbe
carlsonbe 2
Correct. Which means he was not frozen in place or immobilized as some of the other theories that abound would have it.
WigzellRM
Ralph Wigzell 1
You are right, the article does say that they found him wandering around the apron. That makes it more interesting. Nobody saw him exit the wheel well?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Yeah, I was trying to read it too. FA needs to put a 48 hour delay on the suspension...
preacher1
preacher1 1
I see your old buddy Mr. Weston, is in fine form today.LOL
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
It got gonna good last night...lol
preacher1
preacher1 1
Just from what I can see, you played nice though. LOL
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
I really wanted to come out of character but aurguing online is pretty childish and accomplishes nothing....I will tell what I wanted to say later.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I can kinda guess the gist of it, based on the other comments. Send me a FB message sometime when things get slow.

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