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Pilots warned to avoid flying on empty

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Pilots have been warned to take more care with how much fuel they carry after a number of incidents in which planes nearly ran out. The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) says too many planes have been running out of fuel or switching to the wrong fuel tank during flights. (www.abc.net.au) עוד...

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linbb
linbb 0
Wow what a deal to think that a pilot would not have enough fuel on board and try to fly just like the Piper that was towing a banner and crashed in the US a few days ago. Four gallons total in that one. Oh well am sure that it will help those out who dont watch there fuel.LOL
Klemons
Klemons 0
zcolescott
Zachary Colescott 0
I'm simply amazed that pilots still need to be reminded of this. People always ask me why I still use a checklist. Bingo! Right here. Fuel exhaustion is so easily preventable.
sheka
mark tufts 0
check list isgreat and if i was a pilot i would do my best i would have enough fuel to make it to my final destination with enough left over in case i had to divert around storms or have to make another pass to land and even make sure there was till enough fuel onboarrd to make it to the gate with 20 gallons to spare
Falconus
Falconus 0
That's what we are supposed to do, have enough fuel to make it to the destination and an alternate, and have enough fuel to be able to fly an additional 30 minutes, or 45 minutes depending on whether we are VFR or IFR. Note however, that 20 gallons would get me a couple hundred miles in a Piper Cherokee, but if I were flying an airliner, 20 gallons is next to nothing, and pulling up to the gate with only 20 gallons of gas left in my Boeing 747 would probably result in "disciplinary action", to say the least. At that point, evidently, the tanks are 0.03% full.
preacher1
preacher1 0
canuck44
canuck44 0
Not a new problem given Canada's record of having two heavy gliders...Air Canada 767 that landed at an old RCAF base when it ran out of fuel over Manitoba because fueled in liters instead of gallons and a Transat A-330 that glided into the Azores with a leak from one fuel line that bled their fuel when they tried to transfer to the nearly empty tank. Both good outcomes from pilot skills.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Biggest problem right now is the computerized planning most Airlines do. That's all well and good but many pilots are taking it as gospel rather than looking themselves like Mark talks about above. Now, granted, too many overides will get you looked at by the company and they should not be used to excess, but a Captain has that right due to wx or whatever.
preacher1
preacher1 0
quart bigger than a liter????
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
Size doesn't matter, it's how you put your liter to work...
canuck44
canuck44 0
Fueling was in Montreal...One liter = .87 of Imperial quart = 1.05 US quarts. Canada had just switched to metric but Boeing was still in US gallons.

That day they were having drag races on the old Gimli strip where the first officer had trained before the base closed. Needless to say a lot of underwear was unfit for recycling up front and on the ground. Somewhere I have a book on it that was instructive.
preacher1
preacher1 0
I imagine.LMAO. Didn't they make a movie about that back down the line. That has a ring to it of familiarity, but I'm a thinkin a 757 new, but a similar story line, liter fueling and deadstick landing on and abandoned military strip with activity on it.
chris13
Chris Bryant 0
One of the most useless things in aviation - the fuel left at the FBO.
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 0
pfp217
pfp217 0
take a read through the NTSB reports. It's pretty sad how many fuel starvation incidentd and accidents there are.
BenKFIT
Ben Lillie 0
I know, most pilots know they need to make sure they have enough fuel. They just don't do it.
MANBOI
MANBOI 0
If a pilot can't remember fuel, how is he/she going to remember to remember the fuel?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
preacher1
preacher1 0
Well, I guess if you forget, you forget and and one of 2 things happens. If you think of it after you are airborne, you turn around, go back and get it. If we don't we read about you in a news story after you crash and die.
I live about 20 miles out of town, and fuel level in my car is a religion. There are times when I have forgotten to fuel and just simply go back and do it, regardless of how far I was into my trip. Not that I might run totally out but I did not want to have the car at the house and low on fuel. In years past, I was brought up to keep the tanks on a plane full while hangared. That eliminated any chance of condensation, but it kept the tanks full for a departure. I just can't understand the lapse on a very important basic.
grinch59
Gene Nowak 0
I'm with you 100% Wayne. The only thing you have to watch out for is renting a plane for a late night departure and the renting FBO forgot to refuel before closing. It happened to me once. I was glad I knew the aircraft consumption and gauge accuracy from previous flights, plus route where additional fuel could be obtained 24/7.
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 0
Didn't we just read here in FA about a Cessna 441 trying to fly non stop from the west coast to the east coast and somewhere around 6 hours in the plane crashed in Pa. Even with a tailwind c to c seems a stretch. I'd like to see the flight planning on that. Maybe it's kosher.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
The Conquest 2 could actually do it unless there's something drastic...
airclaxon1
Paul Claxon 0
Absolutely uncalled for !
airclaxon1
Paul Claxon 0
I like the old saying, the only time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire !
thunderland2
al fredericks 0
i thought that there should be 45 mins fuel past the intended destination to get to a alturnate or waiting for delayed landing clearance.. i believe this is a legal requirement. as to wrong switching of fuel tanks this is just poor cockpit management.
preacher1
preacher1 0
I believe you are correct. There is a legal factor in there, not sure of the exact wording, but it apparently is getting ignored somewhat. I'm like you, as far as the tanks go, poor management or just downright inattention. Flying is fun but as with anything, even a Sunday drive, you better be cognizant of what you are doing.
jsterner
Jerry Sterner 0
The movie was "Freefall Flight 174" (actually flight 143) with William Devane. A pretty good movie, it was a 767.
preacher1
preacher1 0
Tks, that was awhile back but the storyline was almost word for word of what John was speaking of above.
thunderland2
al fredericks 0
THAT AIRCANADA FLIGHT wae due to the change over (all of canada goes metric) from gallons to litres, both in volume cubic and weight lbs-kilos. most air crews an handlers were not aware of the new system.

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