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Plane slides off runway at Midway

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The NTSB releases video from April of a Southwest Airlines plane skidding off the end of a runway in Chicago (www.cnn.com) עוד...

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jirishmayer
jirishmayer 0
The common denominator is Southwest Airlines... if the press, politicians, and FAA would get out of SWA's pocket then they would be seen for what they are.... unprofessional cowboys!!!
flyingcookmosnter
flyingcookmosnter 0
Seems he steered to avoid the EMAS which is made to stop overruns. Hmmm... Kinda defeats the point?
flyingcookmosnter
flyingcookmosnter 0
Course, this is old news but the video is new.
mzk49o1
mzk49o1 0
I was just thinking this myself.
BoeingFan59
Troy Raiteri 0
Again? And how many times have this happened before?
toolguy105
toolguy105 0
Maybe it was just the angle of the camera but it appeared to me that the right side spoilers failed to deploy. That and a wet runway and I would give the pilots a commendation for getting the plane stopped without a major incident.


Had a similar incident with a C141 at Clark AFB. Left Nose wheel tire blew right side spoilers and reverser failed to open. Never saw a plane make such a tight left turn before. Outcome was not all that bad. Plowed up a portion of the field to the left of the runway, bent the nose gear, sheared of the nose gear doors and minor structural damage.
planeaholic
planeaholic 0
I thought the same thing. Probably not the only problem, but after watching the video again, it looks pretty clear that the right side spoilers were NOT deployed. The angle perhaps hides them, but the camera looks to be pretty level with the plane, and the left side spoilers are clearly visible.
toolguy105
toolguy105 0
That was most likely the biggest problem and they get no notice, it just happens. I would not be surprised to see a write up in the forms saying pilots seat cushions need changing. Like I said if we are right those two pilots did an excellent job keeping that plane upright and getting it stopped.
RadBaron
RadBaron 0
Agreeing with previous posters, right side spoilers do not seem to be deployed, and you can see the reverse thrust from the left engine, but at the end of the video you can see right forward thrust.
Could the pilot/copilot have missed the detent when bringing the reversers into play?
Lonewolf1507
Andrew J. Richards 0
Just went through the video slowly, right at the start of the video the nose wheels are going through a large puddle. That is when you should be able to see the right wing spoiler, the flaps appear to be deployed. As the plane starts to turn you can see the spray from the left engines reverse thrust and after the distortion of the video you can see spray from the right engines reverse thrust.
21voyageur
Dan Chiasson 0
Can't blame weather or technical here. Clearly poor piloting that did not take into account conditions. Fun ride for passengers though. Did Southwest charge them extra for that in flight entertainment?
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 0
I don't know if SWA got any extra for the entertainment but the airport bars probably sold a couple extra cocktails.
wingnut016
wingnut016 0
Wet/icy runways always are tricky but the landing data is pretty accurate and the FAA now requires we add 15% extra to those numbers after the SWA accident at midway a few years back. BUT*** those landing data require a stabilized approach and sticking the landing on correct speeds at the touchdown point of the runway, this usually leads to a fairly firm landing. WAY too many pilots nowadays try to "play" for a nice pretty/soft landing and burn up a bunch of runway in the process.
For what my vote counts as, looks to me like they landed just a bit long, maybe the spoilers didn't deploy on the right side (further jeopardizing the long landing) and the wet runway just didn't allow them to get stopped. At the end, look like the pilot tried to just make a high speed turnoff onto the taxiway and save it, but was just a bit too fast still.
wingnut016
wingnut016 0
Pretty cool video angle anyways too!!!
benno5555
Benno Vyfvinkel 0
And "... slides off runway..." All I saw was a high speed exit short of the red runway end identification lights in the video were there usually is a taxiway and the interesting part was distorted. How did the camera know to time it exactly?? Is there more to see? Somewhere?
a320cap
a320cap 0
SNA (Orange County), has a considerably shorter runway where everything from 757's on down land without incident. Maybe training, or corporate culture need to be examined.
planeaholic
planeaholic 0
Midway has more wet/icy/snowy weather conditions (as opposed to KSNA's typically dry SoCal Wx), and it's CLOSELY surrounded by an urban setting and high fences. Maybe there's no difference; I'm not familiar with the area surrounding SNA, but the high frequency of landings at Midway also increases the chances of having an overrun like the ones we've seen over the last few years.
jwllmson
Jim Williamson 0
Wow! They got lucky. Yep, the runways at MDW are very short and the airport is surrounded by development. No room for errors. I love, love, love Southwest, but it does seem to me like their crews are in a BIG hurry much of the time. Not a good combo at a tight airport like MDW.
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 0
Better call O'Hare towing.....lol.....seriously...what is up with their runways? seems like there are always planes slidding off up there.
airclaxon1
Paul Claxon 0
They are too short for a wet or icy landing !
clearfortakeoff83
Zach Katona 0
I'm sorry but I'm really starting to think that Midway just isn't capable of handling non-regional jets at the moment. Seems like this incidents are somewhat common with 737's or bigger.
royalbfh
royalbfh 0
all of the new jets have better slow speed characterisics, better ABS systems, better engines, etc... Midway is not the problem.. Maybe the pilot should have made a "go around" if he knew that he was going to land long.. Just saying..
clearfortakeoff83
Zach Katona 0
I'm sorry, but I'm beginning to think that Midway just isn't safe for non-regional jets due to the many similar incidents that have happened there in recent years.
jimquinndallas
Jim Quinn 0
I've flown thousands of segments over my 20+ years of being a traveling salesman, and out of all those years/airmiles I've been in a go-around situation twice--both times at Midway. The runways are fairly short, the fences are high at any approach end; the weather many times sucks making runways wet/icy; the air traffic is dense; the neighborhoods surround the airport and overall it's what I would consider to be the airline equivalent of a Navy carrier pilot landing on a ship. Sometimes they have to go around.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 0
Needle, ball, airspeed, stick and rudder!
WALLACE24
WALLACE24 0
I LEARNED TO FLY AT MIDWAY IN THE '60'S AND AT THAT TIME THEY WERE LANDING 727'S THERE. WITH JUST 6500' OF RUNWAY THERE IS NOT MUCH ROOM FOR ERROR AND NO FORGIVNESS AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY.
blkav8tor2003
Virgil Lovett 0
Midway is like LaGuardia...These airports were left behind when the airline industry grew up and flew right past them! Airports situated in populated neighborhoods and jet's are bigger, faster and more frequency than what they were originally designed for. This is a recipe for potential problems!
genethemarine
Gene spanos 0
Landing at Midway is like landing on an aircraft carrier.
TRProven
TR Proven 0
No it's not. There are no cables.
nigelites
Nige Lites 0
Maybe there should be.
Tailhook on a 737, anyone.
It'd make the passengers pay atention to the 'Fasten Seatbelt' sign and teach a lesson to the Idiot who insists on getting his bag from the rack as soon as the plane has landed.
LesAp
Leslie Appleton 0
Link gives wrong video. Found it on utube. Judging by the aircraft taking off on the intersecting runway moments later the wind must have been at 45deg from the right. Combination of not much assist from the wind and perhaps a strong gust. Im not a pilot, just a sim guy. Someone can perhaps put me right.
Dannoga
Dan Ciavardini 0
Welcome to Chicago where the local time is....
jwhvacr
Jim Wheeler 0
Chicagoans have referred to the airport as "Skidway" for years, due to its short runways.
kevincw01
kevincw01 0
better link w/o pre-ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a4M_VRJz5Y

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