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Spirit parks more NEOs amidst engine shortage

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In todays video, we take a look at the slight engine crises at Spirit airlines that has caused the operator to place some of its Airbus A320NEO aircraft in storage throughout the year. The airline has recently stored even more 320NEOs bringing the total up to 7. (www.youtube.com) More...

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ghstark
Greg S 3
Another severe issue squeezing the supply side of the market. The bottom line for travelers: higher fares.
mbrews
mbrews 3
Unreliable engines = unflyable planes. IMO spirit = fear it. Has the P-W GTF become the Edsel of jet engines?
mtrainer
Mike T 3
The PW1500 on the A220 has proved to have serious reliability issues as well. The whole PW1000G line is trash in my opinion
EtienneDaniels
Bashing an US company on this forum. :) Time the Europeans take over before the Chinese do
druck13
druck13 -1
Big mistake not to have a Rolls Royce option on the neo.
Propwash122
Peter Fuller 2
There is the CFM Leap engine option on the A319/320/321neo. Did R-R even offer an engine for this program?
mfejfar1
m f -1
Every new engine design has teething issues. This is nothing new. The only issue is spares since COVID cut back inventory and they didn't ramp up fast enough.
mbrews
mbrews 4
This debacle has continued for 7 years, since the first GTF engines were delivered to Airbus. But code word “teething issues” ? Only if you believe in fairy tales, & that there’s a magic wand for this (IMO) unreliable product.
mfejfar1
m f -2
These engines are still young in the world of engines. None of the oil leakage issues would be big news if the spares were available. They aren't shutting down in flight frequently, they're just not lasting as long as they should be before requiring major service.
mbrews
mbrews 3
check your facts. The P-W GTF engines HAVE BEEN shutting down in-flight. In fact, the India air regulator GROUNDED GTF powered A320s specifically due to frequent in-flight shutdowns Oh , what else ? Recall the uncontained engine failure and fire on a Spirit airlines A320 neo during takeoff at Atlantic City.
mfejfar1
m f -2
No, I don't recall India grounding GTF powered airplanes. Do you have a source for that?

The Atlantic City failure was caused by Bald Eagle. - https://avherald.com/h?article=4ee2677c
mbrews
mbrews 3
Link to one of several grounding orders issued by the India DGCA. ( Directorate General for Civil Aviation.) The grounding orders speak for themselves .


https://indianexpress.com/article/business/aviation/airbus-a320neo-jets-with-faulty-pratt-engines-grounded-by-dgca-all-you-need-to-know-5096156/
mfejfar1
m f -3
That was a grounding of individual aircraft, not the entire GTF fleet. No different than any other new engine.
mtrainer
Mike T 3
I am not sure where you get your info from... Its not oil leakage. Planetary gear failures, engines seizing, bearing failures, HPT hub cracks. Multiple airlines are having problems across multiple fleet types. These are not "teething issues" The only thing you have remotely right is that if there were more spares you wouldn't hear about it. Which is why some of the airlines have not publicly said anything since they are able to deal with it better than others. I work on aircraft with the PW1000. They are trash, its not a "teething issue"
mfejfar1
m f -3
Name one engine that didn't have issues years after it launched? Remember the Trent 1000? That fleet was grounded, which hasn't happened to the GTF line. Like you said, if there were enough spares, this wouldn't be unusual.
mtrainer
Mike T 3
Most of them... And even the ones that have had issues have all been small in nature and resolved quickly. Also no where have I said this was usual. Do not twist my words. The fact that there are enough spares or that airlines are able to hide the fact that they have multiple aircraft with engines pulled or have to remove PW1000 series engines just months after receiving an aircraft because they have failed is by no means usual
mfejfar1
m f -2
The GTF line definitely has issues, just like every other young line. 7 years is young. I used to work with the CFM56. An incredibly reliable engine that was slinging fan blades at 7 years. Calling the GTF line trash tells me you haven't worked on many newly designed engines or haven't studied engine development. Give them some slack and reevaluate when it's a mature design.
mtrainer
Mike T 3
I have worked on new engines and old engines. So please don't try and sit here and tell me I don't know what I am talking about. I am done arguing with you.
mfejfar1
m f -2
You don't have to reply, so ask yourself if you would have called the entire CFM56 line trash at the 7 year mark when there were fatalities and a grounding of the entire line? Or the Trent 1000 that grounded over 40 planes at the 9 year mark? Are those lines trash today?
magician176
That is what exactly happened to SAA in South Africa a few years ago, Boeing service technicians picked it up on a scheduled service while the plane was in Europe.

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