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Boeing plans new aircraft launch by end-year

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Despite spending months pleading for patience, Boeing executives are now telling employees a launch decision for a new airliner aimed at the “middle of the market” (MOM) could be made by the end of the year. In an all-hands meeting with employees on 10 February in Seattle, Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief executive Ray Conner said the new project could be launched as early as 2016, sources say. (www.flightglobal.com) עוד...

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vanstaalduinenj
Jon Van Staalduinen 7
757 proven winner
Resurrecting that name/brand makes a lot of sense.
devsfan
ken young 4
One of the aspects of the seven -five was that awesome rate of climb from takeoff....
yr2012
matt jensen 2
And, descent
paultrubits
paul trubits 6
This is when I begin to miss Preacher.
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 1
I have seen more then your comment alluding to Preacher. Is there something here that I do not know about?
vanstaalduinenj
Jon Van Staalduinen 8
Yes preacher was a wealth of aviation knowledge and his opinion very highly regarded. Sadly he passed away late last year.
wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 3
May I add that he was always very patient, even with non-aviators, and he was never agressive to anyone in his comments. Never did I see personal attack from him, always on the subject, not on the person who commented.
vanstaalduinenj
Jon Van Staalduinen 1
100% true Wolfgang
True gentleman
patpylot
patrick baker 10
bravo boeing. something beyond the performance of the 757 is well within your sweet spot. Shall we call it 797 perhaps?? New engines on a enhanced body is a product worth thinking about. and overdue . chop chop, let's get to it.
pilot62
Scott Campbell 4
No more larger 37 max ez please !
yr2012
matt jensen 3
First fix the 787's and their Li batteries, then go and build a new fuel efficient airliner if they can.
dwbailey
Daniel Bailey 5
It needs to be a groundbreaking aircraft, not just a rehash of updated technology, for it to be successful, in my opinion. I fly and LOVE the 787 and have flown 727-1&2 & all models of 73 so I'm kinda a Boeing fan, one could say.. But this aircraft will be taking the company down the road for the next 30 years so it needs to be leading edge in all aspects, perhaps involving blended wing-body types and next generation propulsion like what used to be called unducted fan. Should be interesting, whatever it is.. Maybe I'll get to fly it, unless it goes into a 787 type development timeline (i.e. never-ending..)
pilot62
Scott Campbell 2
The registration number on one of your 787 photos comes up as a 1940 Piper, N20904 maybe ?
vanstaalduinenj
Jon Van Staalduinen 2
Just throwing out for discussion but any chance of a regional jet to compete with mrj,crj,Embraer? It's the only market segment they don't have representation in and must be lucrative. The new 717 perhaps???
Av8nut
Michael Fuquay 2
Too much competition in the RJ range. Those guys have years of experience with them too. It would a whole new thing to Boeing, not that I doubt they could handle it. I just don't see it as profitable for them to pursue.
boughbw
Brian Bough 1
I disagree. Boeing needs to challenge Bombardier whose C-Series is aiming to start coming after the 737-NG/Max and A32x series. While Embraer is making great headway in the regional area (and is partnered with Boeing), the reluctance of American and Delta to give up their fleets of MDs is a sign related to their reliability. Delta's attempt to purchase every last 717 on the planet is a real sign -- the regional jets really aren't a replacement for the MD series of short-haul aircraft. A reworked 717 with composites would be an instant hit.

What I hope Boeing is doing, however, is reworking their 757. The market isn't interested in another 737 and isn't happy buying the 321. The range, accommodations, and performance of the 757 still lacks any rival or a good fit replacement. If Boeing doesn't replace the 757 with another redesigned 757, then their market will be 737s, 777s, and 787s until Airbus displaces them all in 50 years. A medium-haul high efficiency plane holding 200-275 passengers in a narrow body form is what is needed. Larger 737s are not comfortable on international routes and 787-3s really don't quite fit the bill.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Boeing doesn't consider Bombardier a competitor or a challenge, but they should. They should also be worried if Soros funds Rosovia.
http://www.airwaysnew.com/this-russian-jet-might-just-give-boeing-and-airbus-a-run-for-their-money/
727stretch
727stretch 1
Considering the C-series is struggling for orders, I don't think Boeing is the least bit concerned about that segment at all. Plus as others said, it's over-saturated with competition.
jkirk420
jkirk420 2
Single aisle or 2-2-2 version of the 787. Call it the 757 Next. Boom, done.
MrMopar
Aaron Shipley 5
Who on Earth would sell/market/buy an aircraft with a 2-2-2 seating configuration?! They already have that in every aircraft sold as a 3-3 configuration.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 4
I can't see them doing a 2-2-2, I don't think the airlines would buy it -- not dense enough. 2-3-2 at a minimum.
wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 4
I think you're right. Why waste the space on a second aisle, as there would be no more passengers thant in a 3-3 seating plan.
canuck44
canuck44 1
Boeing has already conquered the technology for the use of composites so that phase of development and manufacturing is not going to be a problem. This will leave the major issue to be design and we must assume they already have done a lot of computer generated prototypes of body and wing. Once a team is assigned much of the needed information can be taken from the shelf to speed up the process.
nitramwin
martin adams 1
That's quite interesting. This could be one of the first whole new aircraft designs where they can make use of off-the-shelf design calculations and tools that were developed during the 787 process. This could reduce time and effort to design and engineer. Then again, consider the Model S vs Model X. While Tesla already had a great working knowledge of electric vehicles, they chose to add tons of new features. This then could be the danger but also the necessary innovation for creating this next gen aircraft. Ie, whenever you can do one thing faster/cheaper, it is likely that your competition can do this just as well. What Boeing then needs to do is make use of its own in-house resources that competitors don't necessarily have or would be very costly to acquire. In conclusion, while BA will be able to make use of their 787 experience, they will feel the need to innovate further which will end up taking lots of time which will probably result in delayed design/engineering/production schedules :-)
wwharris
Bill Harris 1
Related article from BCA's local paper: http://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/job-cuts-planned-at-boeing/
mariescreations
Jerry Rader 1
The analysts conclusion that the cross section should be elliptical in shape may be a very expensive proposition. Here we go again, trying something new (read composite construction on B787) that has not been done before and would undoubtedly extend the development time and certification time and be radical enough and so expensive that it could sink a company even as big as Boeing. That would be a BIG new airplane project, for sure.
727stretch
727stretch 1
So many of the quotes from Boeing execs state the lack of an engine in the required thrust range. I thought P&W introduced a 37K lb thrust version of the PW1100G? IIRC 37K was the thrust of the base P&W2000 series on the 757. Considering the new MOM aircraft will likely be composite, therefore weighing less, despite being slightly larger, wouldn't that engine work? I'm not an expert, just curious. There is really nothing else in the 40-50K thrust range that I'm aware of, other than the PW2000 series from the 57's which I read are extremely expensive to overhaul and gas-guzzlers compared to new products
anthony96
anthony96 1
I think the Boeing 797
levanger
John Levanger 0
I can see the benefit of a 2-2-2 configuration from a passenger standpoint, 2/3's of the available seats are aisle seats...the airline customers would love that! From the airline standpoint, probably not as much since it would be a lower density. However, to this point customers (pax) might clamor for airlines that adopt these aircraft.
MrMopar
Aaron Shipley 3
Passengers that care about seating density or seat layout are few and far between. It has been proven that the factors driving airline loyalty are reward programs (people who are stuck in one airline after years of flying them) and lowest cost. Seat density and layout affects the choices of almost no one other than people picking a good seat after they have already booked their flight.
SWEATINTHSWAMP
SWEATINTHSWAMP 2
I am now a retired very infrequent flyer and millions of miles in the 60's through 2005. I hate single aisle airplanes and love the wide bodies. I'll pick a wide body everytime if available which, unfortunately, is rare anymore.
Av8nut
Michael Fuquay 0
I think they will combine a lot of features. Most likely, it will be 3-3 seating, more of a stretched 737, with inter-continental range, and carbon-fiber fuselage. ETOPS?

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