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SR-22 ditched in Pacific Ocean en-route to Hawaii

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The U.S. Coast Guard is responding to a distress call from a single engine aircraft running out of fuel approximately 975 miles north of the Big Island. (dcnewsroom.blogspot.com) עוד...

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Rod Tataryn לפני 6 שנים 20

Coast guard video of the ditching and rescue. The word is that a stuck fuel valve prevented use of one of the fuel bladders. There was about a three hour notice allowing time to plan the rescue.

http://www.dvidshub.net/video/388574/pilot-safe-after-ditching-253-miles-maui#.VMZGxEc8KrW

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 7

If that was a delivery flight as posted by Jeff Lawson below, there almost had to be something to knock out the fuel. Ditching and rescue were wonderful. Kudos to both the Coast guard and the cruise ship, and thanks to you for finding and posting this video.

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Rod Tataryn לפני 6 שנים 1

Yes, it was a brand new Cirrus SR22 being delivered to Australia. The ferry flight was to stop in Maui for refueling.

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Victor Engel לפני 6 שנים 1

There's a post in the discussion to the original link stating that the transfer mechanism for the extra fuel tanks failed, so the plane went down with 25 gallons on board.

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sparkie624 לפני 6 שנים 4

Very nice video.. The pilot looked down right relaxed in the life raft after the exit... Thanks for posting.

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Ichiro Sugioka לפני 6 שנים 2

Thank you for posting this amazing video. Pilot was lucky that the wind blew the chute to the other side of the aircraft so there was less chance of getting tangled in the cords. The aircraft flipping over was pretty scary. Glad the pilot made it out OK.

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Gordon Feingold לפני 6 שנים 2

The "cords" are about 60 feet away from the aircraft, which is attached by 4 Kevlar straps to a ring where the actual cords (shrouds) are attached. So with any wind at all, the likelihood of getting tangled up in the cords is minimal. But your point about being lucky regarding which side he ended up on is still valid, because if it was 180 degrees from how it ended up the airplane could have flipped on top of him in the raft instead of away from him.

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paul trubits לפני 6 שנים 4

One lucky fellow. Bet he gets to sit at the Captain's table for dinner.

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 4

That is going to be an expensive 25 gal of gas.

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Ron Nash לפני 6 שנים 3

I don't understand why people and companies risk losing expensive aircraft over the vastness of the Pacific via ferry flights.
In this case a brand-new $600K-700K aircraft is lost, all due to a faulty valve that's maybe worth $200.
Shipping the aircraft to its destination on a cargo ship sure looks a whole lot better option to me - rather than losing the whole aircraft over one faulty tiny part.
After all, they ARE doing the proving flight right after assembly - and doing it over an area that ensures total loss, if just one single thing goes wrong.
Seems to me it's a no-brainer to ship it to Australia and do the first proving flights over land, where the aircraft can be recovered, if a component failure is encountered - even if it doesn't land in a clear area.
The cost of installing the ferry tanks and valving and hiring a ferry pilot, can be deducted from the shipping cost as well.
Then there's the factor of the insurance premiums that will now be much higher for Cirrus as a result of this fiasco, as well.
Getting a payout out on a total loss is going to make their insurance premium renewal cost give the Cirrus accountants some heartburn, next time it comes due.

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Rick Harrison לפני 6 שנים 3

But wouldn't it be wonderful to fly a brand new plane, over the ocean.... and to Hawaii and then Australia!... I'll fly the next one! :)

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joel wiley לפני 6 שנים 2

As they say, you pays your money and takes your choices. What percentage of ferry flights end like this? Cargo ships do sink on occasion as well as losing cargo over the side. Again, what percent are those occurrences?

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

The oceans are littered with containers that have went over the side.

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Joseph Restivo לפני 6 שנים 1

Taxes. If you ship it you have to pay taxes and import and export fees. If you fly it you don't have to pay any.

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Ron Nash לפני 6 שנים 2

That's not correct, as far as Australia is concerned. You pay GST and a small import duty upon importation, no matter how it arrives. What you don't have to pay if you fly it in, is port fees and shipping agent/broker fees.
I'd guess handling damage and salt spray damage could be a concern in shipping. However these can be managed with proper preparation and protective packaging.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

I'm not sure but I imagine money has got something to do with it and time as well. When off the line, there is a customer somewhere that has already spent some big $ and wants his plane. A thought would be to get ahead on production a bit and ship those via ship to a dealer on land for reassembly and check flight, rather than a ferry flight. Just Sayin'

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Rod Tataryn לפני 6 שנים 3

An Australian Cirrus owner was was recently quoted $40,000-00 ferry and $45,000-00 shipping. Note that ferrying involves several weeks and shipping several months. These prices both include putting the aircraft on the Australian register @ about $10,000. Based on these figures ferrying is about $5,000 cheaper but shipping takes several months longer. Another nominal downside of ferrying is the additional hours on the airframe. Shipping is not with out risk of airframe damage, but usually not catastrophic, and of course it's insured. Of course the ferry flights are insured as well. The biggest risk with the ferrying option is the pilot's life - they'll make more airplanes. This one turned out well.

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Andre Vanha לפני 6 שנים 1

Thanks for sharing this. I'm surprised that ferrying is that expensive. That certainly adds to the cost of an airplane in Australia. I would have guessed around $20,000. However, as this incident illustrates, it's complex risky operation.

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Chris B לפני 6 שנים 1

Boy that must suck for the future owner.

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 2

It does. We were to get serial #1 of the Lancair 400. They crashed it doing high altitude spin testing. Nearly a year later we had serial # 2.

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Ken Lane לפני 6 שנים 1

I think I'd have reservations of getting "#1" of just about anything!

Let someone else test out the airframe and make find the mistakes. I'll take the revised version.

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 2

Gotcha. But the 400 was really the same airframe as the 350, just twin turboed INLO fuel injected. Certification time was to be minimal and there was a substantial discount involved. The deal stood and we got #2 with the discount and it never missed a beat.

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 1

Turns out flight planning was A ok. Faulty valve. Wonder where it was made?

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bentwing60 לפני 6 שנים 2

I could guess but ball valves have been around since the beginning of time.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 1

Mine has been working for 47 years without failure...

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 1

I installed a ball valve yesterday putting in a new RO system. Your ball valve won't last near as long and word has it that it is subject to frequent failure even though made in USA.

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Ron Nash לפני 6 שנים 3

I had a business associate who had a fuel tank selector valve fail on his PA-28.
He had to land on country highway, but he hit a roadside sign with a wing and did $20,000 worth of damage to the Cherokee.
The safety authorities took the valve away for testing and it failed twice in 4000 cycles.
No-one could figure out why it worked perfectly 99.5% of the time and failed 0.05% of the time.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

That is weird

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Ron Nash לפני 6 שנים 1

Indeed. It left a lot of people scratching their heads. I guess it's just the fact that nothing man-made is 100% fail-safe. Even NASA didn't get it right, many a time.
A piece of stray grit, a sticky solenoid, you always got to have your fall-back plan well-honed.

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John Taylor לפני 6 שנים 1

Yes, they do indeeed fail...and they shouldn't! I too had one lock-up on my Cherokee. I always change tanks while reserve remains...so I simply landed nearest airport. No can do over water

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Rod Tataryn לפני 6 שנים 2

ABC News this morning interviews the pilot - Lue Morton . . . http://abcnews.go.com/US/pilot-lue-morton-describes-hardest-part-parachuting-ocean/story?id=28572894

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Dave Pierce לפני 6 שנים 2

. I have a 2010 cirrus sr 22 turbo it holds 92 gallons of fuel, from California to Hilo on the big island in around 2100 knautical miles, this is the shortest route, at 16 gallons a hour and a 175 knots it would take around 12 hours or 192 gallons, these are conservative numbers on fuel consumption and speed, at ten thousand I get a easy 185 kits on around 15 to 16 gph. Go higher and you go faster, the chute fires out the back of the aircraft and the 45 degrees nose down upon deployment is normal, there's a collar close to the chute when you deploy it to keep it from inflating to soon and tearing it off, as the chute comes to center over the aircraft it slides down the shroud lines and fully deploys and you float down a 7 mph, under the center armrest is a small hammer pointed on one end this can be used to break out the windows in case doors are jammed, a 300lb person could easily go out one of the back windows, for the record this pilot did everything exactly right, a cirrus is the safest single engine plane built.

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James Hodges לפני 6 שנים 0

I saw some statistics not long ago that the C 150 is the safest, but there are different ways of rating safety.

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ADXbear לפני 6 שנים 2

great video and coordination of rescue and what a ferry pilot goes through in an emergency... These guys have nerves of steel... Id be nervous with that extra fuel tank carried in the cabin to make these trips...

Cool video of the BRS system from start to finish... great outcome, insurance company not happy... oh well..

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Ron Nash לפני 6 שנים 2

The guys with nerves of steel and who carried their cojones around in wheelbarrows, were the Qantas Catalina pilots who flew from Perth, Western Australia to Lake Koggala, Ceylon (Sri Lanka) during WW2.
The Catalinas carried 15,700lbs of gasoline, 25% of which was in additional internal tanks.
The designed MTOW of the Catalina was just 27,000lbs! Qantas managed to have that figure increased to 35,150lbs.
The Catalinas were so heavy on takeoff, they were struggling to gain 100' in altitude, 10 miles after lifting off the Swan River.
Cargo ability was limited to 1000lbs, which meant only 3 or 4 VIP pax and a small amount of War-critical mail and documentation.
The Catalinas flew for an average of 28 hrs non-stop. The fastest flight was 22 hrs, the slowest, just over 32 hrs.

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Robert Fleming לפני 6 שנים 2

watched video of that on ABC7News a few minutes ago-Those SR-22 aircraft are fascinating! That made for a safe recovery of the pilot. Thank Goodness

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Jeff Lawson לפני 6 שנים 2

Looks like it was N7YT -- http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7YT/history/20150125/1245Z/KTCY/PHOG

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joel wiley לפני 6 שנים 1

Is this a recently recycled number? Airframes.org thinks N7YT is a BEECH A36TC built in 1980

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Kenneth Schmidt לפני 6 שנים 2

Airframes.org is not a good source for U.S. registrations, or at best, is not kept up to date. Use http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.aspx

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Jeff Lawson לפני 6 שנים 1

Recycled on 16-Jan-2015 it looks like.

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Chuck Cross לפני 6 שנים 1

It was just certified on Jan 12 and registered to Cirrus Design Corp.
It does show a Cirrus SR22 on the FAA site.

Strange but Cirrus also makes and sells the Cirrus Airframe Parachute that was used on this plane. Could this have been a Test

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Devin Somerton לפני 6 שנים 1

The parachute System is made and packed by Ballistic Recovery Systems (BRS) then delivered to Cirrus to be installed by a certified Cirrus Engineer.

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David Loh לפני 6 שנים 1

Once the pilot considered ditching was inevitable and the coast guard had been contacted, was the pilot directed to fly immediately towards the nearest suitable ship and ditch as near that ship as possible even before running out of useable fuel? Seems to me this would have brought the rescue to a much earlier conclusion.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

I think in in one of these stories, the took him close on fuel and near the ship that got him, meaning he flew as long as he could, not to the nearest ship.

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Capt Dash לפני 6 שנים 1

I guess there was some reason he could not prove the flow from the ferry tank before going out of range for installed fuel capacity. I always made a practice of using fuel from ferry tanks asap - just in case.

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Andy Cruickshank לפני 6 שנים 1

Just a question. Do the ferry tanks feed the standard tanks or are they routed to feed the engine (s) directly. I see your logic and agree that it makes sense. Are all ferry tanks plumbed the same way. Think there is a post here about fuel drums installed in place of rear seats etc! See John Miller post below

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

I was kinda curious about that myself and just flatly don't know, but I had the impression in talking to some ferry pilots and from comments here, that most ferry tanks just fed the main tanks and didn't plumb straight to the engines.

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John Taylor לפני 6 שנים 1

Yes!

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 1

Maybe he did and it worked fine-ONCE! Lol

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Devin Somerton לפני 6 שנים 1

The parachute System is made and packed by Ballistic Recovery Systems (BRS) then delivered to Cirrus to be installed by a certified Cirrus Engineer.

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James Hodges לפני 6 שנים 1

Many years ago our clubs new Beech Musketeer's fuel tank selector valve stuck, fortunately on a tank, not in between, also, fortunately there were several airports nearby, not just open water. New things seem to have a higher failure rate than tried and true!!!

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blueashflyer לפני 6 שנים 1

Darnit, 90% of the way there. A little better tailwind and he could ride that parachute toward land. Looks like he floated for a while. He actually covered 3.3 nm of distance just riding down on the parachute.

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sparkie624 לפני 6 שנים 1

Bad News.. Sorry to hear this...

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Harve Toledano לפני 6 שנים 1

A great rescue, it shows how effective the CG is. Pilot was smart enough to declare emergency early enough. All hands did a great job. Vectoring him towards the cruise ship and final rescue. Pilot kept his cool getting into the raft. Semper Paratus.

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AWAAlum לפני 6 שנים 1

I am wondering how the pilot knew in advance the fuel bladder was going to fail.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

I figure he had already ran a tank down and was going to pump into it from the ferry tank

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AWAAlum לפני 6 שנים 1

That makes sense. Thanks.

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joel wiley לפני 6 שנים 1

Does the Cirrus have a parachute quick-disconnect option? It appears the chute pulled the a/c over in the wind which led to its early filling.

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Rod Tataryn לפני 6 שנים 2

Joel, No it doesn't have a disconnect. It would be a good feature in high wind situations, or at least a way to deflate it.

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Chuck Cross לפני 6 שנים 1

See my comment below about the plane and the parachute.

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Mark Thomas לפני 6 שנים 1

I was surprised at how quickly it flipped over and began to sink, maybe it was just the chute dragging it through the water...

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Rod Tataryn לפני 6 שנים 1

Yep. Winds were 28 knots and 9-12 ft seas. The chute acted as a sail and pulled the aircraft downwind quickly flipping it. Reaction time had to be quick in this scenario. Left door was opened ahead of time. Right door was blocked by the ferry tank in place of the right seat. Great outcome.

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Jerry Kincade לפני 6 שנים 1

I admit to being a non-pilot non-air guy with a Navy engineering background. But for the extra few $ involved, I believe a valve THAT critical to a ferry operation should have had an emergency bypass valve plumbed in parallel to it. With all the super-intense attention paid to safety in aircraft mechanics/design, I'm a bit shocked that that's not SOP for temp fuel bladders.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

See Ron Nash's post below. Nothing sacred about anything anymore. For some things there is no explanation.

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Al Franckowiak לפני 6 שנים 1

Our Coast Guard is absolutely AMAZING!!!

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Mark Thomas לפני 6 שנים 1

Anyone know what the maximum speed is to deploy the chute?

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Rod Tataryn לפני 6 שנים 1

The Cirrus POH states the demonstrated CAPS deployment speed for certification is 133 KIAS. However, an actual CAPS deployment at Bennett, CO, was the highest airspeed recorded at 191 KIAS.

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joel wiley לפני 6 שנים 1

You might check here: http://cirrusaircraft.com/sr22/

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Gordon Feingold לפני 6 שנים 1

There used to be a POH (and placard) recommendation to deploy at 135 KIAS or less, but based on field experience where several deployments were successful at much higher speeds, that has been de-emphasized or removed. It has worked at Vne (~ 200 KIAS) but failed at grossly-excessive speed (an estimated 300 knots in one case).

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lavalampluva לפני 6 שנים 1

I didn't think the a/c would have had the range to make such a flight.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

Not sure of how much it would carry but this was a ferry flight going on to Australia, so I am sure he had extra tanks inside. See some of the other comments below.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 1

WHY???

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Jeff Lawson לפני 6 שנים 1

Based on the registration data, it looks like this was a newly built and registered SR-22 that was possibly being delivered to its first customer? http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N7YT

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Jamar Jackson לפני 6 שנים 0

Should have left from San Diego which is 400+ miles more south

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Ron Nash לפני 6 שנים 2

Should have found a handy U.S. aircraft carrier, too! LOL

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 1

SAN is further...

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Jamar Jackson לפני 6 שנים 1

So you telling me San Diego is farther from Hawaii then Tracy. How did you come up with this?

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Mateo לפני 6 שנים 3

Tracy is substantially further west than San Diego. Tracy-Maui is 2388mi. San Diego-Maui is 2541mi.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=TCY-OGG,+SAN-OGG

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Jamar Jackson לפני 6 שנים 1

Thanks, seems your right. I live in LA and work in Tracy every week just seemed Socal was closer to the Islands

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 2

It would seem that way and might be so with a final destination of Australia, but not for the flight plan. To boot, California makes a big move to the East as you go further South.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 1

SAN-PHOG is 136 miles longer than KTCY-PHOG, just based on a direct route.

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 1

Guess GPS isn't as popular as I thought.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

Methinks he's talking that SAN is further from Maui,which was the projected refuel spot I think.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 10

That's a very MORONIC statement!!! Research, get some knowledge on the topic before you post!!!

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 8

And I see no credentials under your name on the profile so either STFU or leave. Get him THRUSTT

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 5

Whoa, the old man's been drinking some firewater I see!!!

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

You try and be nice but sometimes you gotta speak plain.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

No firewater, just aggravated. Like I said, sometimes you gotta speak plain so it can be understood

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Andy Cruickshank לפני 6 שנים 2

Or as we say in the South "Bless his (Jackson Franco) heart" while patting him gently on the head!!

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Andy Cruickshank לפני 6 שנים 4

I never claimed to be "all there" Preacher is an ATP and a respected poster on here. All he is saying is read and review the facts.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 4

I think he's someone other than the son of Jack...

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 1

Thanks for the support.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 3

It's you who doesn't seem to understand facts, and you're still avoiding my questions. Why do you think this pilot was beyond his fuel limit. Come on, state the facts!!!

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sparkie624 לפני 6 שנים 3

He was beyond his fuel limitations because of a Mechanical Malfunction in the fuel system... He would have had enough fuel if that had not been the case... He had no way of knowing this until it was too late.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 4

You still haven't answered my question. Instead of calling the pilot a moron in the beginning, explain yourself!!!

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 4

Something tells me you're wasting your breath. Education isn't always an option.

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Rick Harrison לפני 6 שנים 1

AIN'T all pilots ... morons? I'm from the South too... LOL Boys.. Boys... can't we all just be friends?

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 1

We could!!!

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 2

Seems to me that THRUSTT just wanted a question answered and got a rash of trash. I just told the young man that he ought to read a little first before he started the name callin'. He's the one that got all bent out of shape. Too bad. I'll be friends until somebody don't want to play or talk nice, but I am old and grumpy now and have paid my dues, so if I'm kinda crotchety to some folks, they'll just have to get over it.

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preacher1 לפני 6 שנים 4

OUR research indicates a faulty fuel valve; knowing that situation existed, there was plenty of time to set up the rescue. This was a professional ferry pilot delivering to Australia, with a fuel stop planned in Maui. All was good til the valve went bad.

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THRUSTT לפני 6 שנים 2

Enlighten me, what is his fuel limit???

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30west לפני 6 שנים 3

Don't know the fuel capacity with the extra tanks in this situation, but I have an example from a ferry pilot I talked with in MRY as he was explaining the "new" fuel system to me a number of years back. He was ferrying a C-172 to the South Pacific with PHTO the first stop .... 2318 miles away.

It had the aft bench seat and "co-pilot" seat stored in the tail cone, a 55-gal drum was set laterally where the back seat was located and another 55 gal drum was set longitudinally where the "co-pilot" seat was located. Then a plywood section was set above the forward 55 gal drum and about five (or so, I believe that was the number) 5 gal gas cans secured atop the plywood.

An aux electric fuel pump pumped fuel from the plumed-together 55 drums to the wing tanks for use. He had to manually hand pump the fuel from the 5 gal cans into the 55 gal drums. He estimated his reserves to be two hours.

It had a ferry permit for takeoff at up to 150% of certified gross weight. Aft CG was way out of limits, could only climb to about 2000' until fuel was burned and he needed an overall zero headwind component for the flight before he would takeoff. I saw him a few months later doing it again.

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joel wiley לפני 6 שנים 2

Was the 'number of years ago' greater than FAA 'statute of limitation'? 8-)

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30west לפני 6 שנים 2

It was, your honor!!

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WALLACE24 לפני 6 שנים 2

You must be remembering the days when pilots used waterbeds for fuel bladders to haul dope from South America.

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joel wiley לפני 6 שנים 3

I can understand your position on this. My only question to you is what it has to do with the current situation. Your comment leads one to believe you did not read the the comments: Posted 7 hours before your post that there was a valve problem making the auxiliary fuel unavailable.

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Herb Harney לפני 6 שנים 0

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Amazing Footage Of A Pilot Successfully Ditching A Plane 253 Miles Off From Hawaii

A pilot successfully ditched his plane 253 miles northeast of the Hawaiian island of Maui after going into an incredible nosedive, according to a US Coast Guard video.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pilot-ditching-plane-close-to-hawaii-video-2015-1

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Sainulabid Pothangodan לפני 6 שנים 0

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Video: Airframe parachute save pilot and Cirrus SR22 airplane

On 25 January 2015, a pilot flying a Cirrus SR22 aircraft from the United States to Hawaii successfully deployed the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (CAPS) over the Pacific Ocean approximately 250 miles from Hawaii.

http://www.aviationanalysis.net/2015/01/parachute-save-pilot-cirrus-sr22.html

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linbb לפני 6 שנים 4

Your comment is amateurish at the best unless you have been around a pilot who does that for a living don't even comment. I have, they arrive, almost take the plane apart to inspect it. Add or help add the fuel and oil systems they require. Flight check the AC and in doing so they measure oil consumption, fuel usage and flying qualities. They do not rely on anything other than what they get out of there tests. Oh about the pilot, they are very physically fit, exercise every day and eat very well. Nothing except professional pilots here. This is my first had knowledge seeing several set out for the trip from CA to the island and then beyond. Only one of them was lost between the island and there next stop never found either.

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joel wiley לפני 6 שנים 2

Ah, the similac of human kindness ;-)

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Eddiesno2 לפני 6 שנים 0

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Video SR-22 Ditches In Pacific Off Maui

Pilot declared emergency ~1000 miles NE of Maui and eventually ditched ~230 miles NE of Maui. The pilot successfully ditched in the Pacific and was eventually rescued by a passenger cruise ship.

http://www.kitv.com/news/pilot-expected-to-ditch-off-maui/30916578

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Robert Moore לפני 6 שנים 0

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Dramatic video shows pilot ditch Cirrus plane in Pacific Ocean

The pilot of a single engine Cirrus SR-22 aircraft (tail number N7YT) that ran out of fuel is safe after ditching his aircraft 253 miles northeast of Maui, Hawaii on Sunday.

http://dcnewsroom.blogspot.com/2015/01/dramatic-video-shows-pilot-ditch-cirrus.html

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