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UPS pilots ratify 2-year contract extension

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UPS pilots get more years and benefits under new deal. (www.freightwaves.com) More...

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ElliotCannon
Elliot Cannon 3
They have come a long way since I was hired in January of 1988. Back then we were in the same Teamster local as the truck drivers. UPS can be a tough company to work for but by the time I retired, it was the best job in the industry thanks to four fellows that started the Independent Pilots Association. If a young pilot asks me to recommend an airline to send a resume to, UPS is always at the top of my list. They just recently started a class of 40 new hires.
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nyyluvr4ever
Russell Rose 2
Pilots these days are overworked and I believe underpaid. Kudos to UPS for signing off on this deal. Keep ‘em flying.
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MichaelDendo
Michael Dendo 1
I believe you are only underpaid if in fact you ste getting paid less than what you agreed too.
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gbcotten
greg cotten 2
I followed 2 links to a disgruntled Atlas article where they were not happy with a 30% pay rise and furthermore complained of a lack of job certainty!

I am sorry, but I am unable to empathize! We were so excited after 2 years of nil to get a 3%
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MichaelDendo
Michael Dendo 1
Moreover, now Atlas's success is tied too much to Amazon.
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alexa320
alex hidveghy 1
Amazon Prime Air. Operated by Giant……
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alexa320
alex hidveghy 2
Haha, I got 4% this year plus a nice longevity package after more than 8 years. Every year! And, I no longer work as a pilot. That got real old after 4 airlines, multiple furloughs and having to start at the bottom each and every time!
Not everyone lucks out. At least I had a backup plan and it really worked out for me……did I mention I also get two pensions when I retire next year? Which airline,even legacy will guarantee that for you? I think we all know the answer to that question.
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avionik99
avionik99 3
Well certainly the pilots seem to be in the drivers seat these days!
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alexa320
alex hidveghy 1
About time, too!
Bean counters are just that. And usually wrong, too…..see what they did during the height of COVID and what’s happened this year because of their over zealous actions 2 years ago. You reap what you sow and the shoe is on the other foot now.
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MichaelDendo
Michael Dendo 1
And while I too do not like the bean counters running the show, airlines don't seem to be printing money.
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alexa320
alex hidveghy 1
Right, and whose fault is that?
Offering early retirements, buyouts, reduced hours, layoffs, furloughs etc, all kinds of cost cutting to the very bone and now, 2.5 years to the date,they suddenly realize it was a wee bit too much and they do t have the staff for the inevitable ramp up!
Heck, my cat would make a better CFO!

Im so glad I got out of the airline business (not aviation, thought) 11 years ago. I have bpnever ever been furloughed, earn longevity and get two pensions to boot! Tell me which airline will guarantee that to their pilots and/or workforce? ZERO. Now instead of being part of that up-down cycle, I get to see them churn through station managers every 6-8 months! It’s quite interesting not being a part of that zoo. And one of the better decisions I’ve made in my 30 plus year aviation career.

Just sayin’……
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MichaelDendo
Michael Dendo 2
Needless to say, you sound very bitter about your airline career (and I probably would be as well). This industry different than many others, had an employee base that loved their work and in many cases, had extreme passion about their job, doing it well and making a career out of it.

However, the industry is volital and depends on so many parts to be in sync it is difficult at best to make a profit. COVID then threw a new wrench in the industry combined with the fact to your point, there aren't many Bob Crandell's left running these airlines. If I was a pilot, I would only want to fly for a freight company.

Final thoughts, if I was an employee, I would never give up a dime like they did at Eastern and other companies. If I was an airline, I would never let the Unions dictate my cost structure. I would model myself after the old Delta airlines.
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alexa320
alex hidveghy 2
Good analysis!
No longer bitter, just better than where I was
I recall some job fair guy once saying furloughs build character! Maybe once or twice, not more. And I bet he was never laid off from his HR job…
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MichaelDendo
Michael Dendo 2
Interesting perspective from an HR specialist that didn't spend the money or the time to get rated to fly for these airlines. BTW, I once asked my bank if I could make a house payment with character. They indicated only if I wanted them to call the loan.
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alexa320
alex hidveghy 2
Yup, that pretty much sums up how ridiculous it all can be!
All about people that make critical decisions without once having been in the shoes of those it affects.......
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jbbooks1
Lewis Tripp 1
Lame
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