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Court Rules United Can’t Put Unvaccinated Staff On Unpaid Leave

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A judge has extended a restraining order preventing United Airlines from sending unvaccinated employees on indefinite unpaid leave. (simpleflying.com) עוד...

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mikehe
Mike Hindson-Evans 5
Presumably there are roles where they don't face the public - most of whom definitely WANT vaccinated staff supporting/serving/greeting/carrying them. PC question - can you still pay tribute to the person who serves you??
volvodadfast
Ichiro Sugioka 5
I want the FAs on my flight to be vaccinated.
bboyjunyor
bboyjunyor -2
And the FA wants you to be vaccinated for the flu, polio, yellow fever, measles, mumps, and rubella! (Flu has similar % on death rates as covid among the healthy individuals but the rest are far worse!!)

Are you gonna do it?
volvodadfast
Ichiro Sugioka 3
Already done
Dubslow
Dubslow 0
congratulations
cristineagu
Cristi Neagu -3
You can want that all day long. It doesn't mean you get to trample all over human rights cause it fits your worldview.
If it's so important to you, don't fly.
Ricovandijk
Rico van Dijk -7
I wouldn’t want a simpleminded like you as my copilot. The medical status of your FA’s is none of your business. What’s next? Are you going to ask if they are on their period?
sgbelverta
sharon bias 3
It isn't just airline requirements. If you fly to Hawaii, if you're unvaccinated, you have to spend 10 days in quarantine. Most foreign countries have strict vaccination policies too. What accommodations can an airline provide for pilots and flight attendants who can't be used on many flights? On the flip side, do these folks realize that they'll probably never get a job again with a commercial airline if they aren't vaccinated? Just fire them and let them sort it out with the unemployment agencies in their State.
linbb
linbb 3
Too bad for them as its so dumb not to get the shot and then trasmit the virus to others.
cristineagu
Cristi Neagu 0
Too bad that you still infect others even with the vaccine...
Dubslow
Dubslow -3
Too bad that people are freaking out about a relatively benign stealth virus (keyword here: *stealth* virus, even vaccinating every person on the planet wouldn't stop it)
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 3
COVID-19 is not benign! It has killed more Americans that all the wars in the 20th century.
USA deaths from COVID-19 (to date): 741,000 (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) Americans killed in the Vietnam war: 58,220 Americans killed in WW2: 405,399 Americans killed in WW1: 116,516
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 1
"Relatively benign"?

Currently about 1,800 people die in the US every day from COVID-19 complications. Sure, many have other health conditions, but they probably wouldn't be in the hospital without getting infected, or die if they did.
Dubslow
Dubslow -4
"Currently about 1,800 people die in the US every day from COVID-19 complications. Sure, many have other health conditions, but they probably wouldn't be in the hospital without getting infected, or die if they did."

That's pretty normal. People dying in part due to stealth-virus-induced pneumonia happens all the time, always *did* happen all the time, and always will happen all the time.

And don't forget that the way that covid deaths are counted is much more aggressive than with any previous stealth virus.

On the whole, covid is only a bit worse than flu -- certainly not enough to cause a worldwide panic.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 2
We don’t have 1,800 people die every day from pneumonia or the flu. Also, the impact of the flu is seasonal, while COVID-19 has been around non-stop for almost two years now, with no real end in sight.

The flu is estimated to have killed 20,000 people in the US in 2019-2020. That’s about eleven days of COVID deaths. Calling COVID “only a bit worse than the flu” is ignorant and trivializes the problem.
bboyjunyor
bboyjunyor -3
You realize that they promote the vaccine so, if you want it then you can get it so it protects you! If you don't want it then that's your problem!
If they come back with the idea that "you can still get it even with a vaccine" then why even take the vaccine in the first place?

On top of that, there are many other diseases that are far worse but nobody mandates anything there as if there's only covid in this world and nothing else!

If you also want to bring in the flu, well there's hundreds of millions of people infected around the world every year (arguably more), a few hundred thousands reach the hospital only in the US.

Also - the vaccine (Except for pfizer which is fully approved, not sure why when they don't even know what the long term side effects are thus it hasn't actually gone 100% through the testing process) is still under development and testing and it is only approved on an emergency basis (which means if they can treat it properly then it should no longer be valid, the approval; if you check how infections-hospitalized cases vs deaths has progressed then you'd see it doesn't make sense to keep it approved based on the rules!)

One other thing - why would they start developing ONLY the vaccine in early 2020 but not a treatment to SAVE lives and not only prevent infection? How on earth is that ethical, approved, not talked about more etc?!?

There are decade old (used in billions of doses in people) nobel winning pills that have been used as profilactics in India, Mexico and Africa and cases have dropped like crazy (India went from 400k positive tests per day - estimated 5 times as much in reality, to 40k and fewer in a few weeks and is now under 20k (poor testing numbers on a per million basis, 5 times fewer than US, 10 times fewer than UK, 35 times fewer thank DK)!

Since we're talking about DK - look into it and see what they're doing! No Masks, no forcing vaccination, no doc check at restaurant or event etc! Why? Read and see!
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 2
>> You realize that they promote the vaccine so, if you want it then you can get it so it protects you! If you don't want it then that's your problem!
If they come back with the idea that "you can still get it even with a vaccine" then why even take the vaccine in the first place?

A flu shot also doesn’t guarantee that you won’t get the flu. But both shots greatly reduce the chances of getting sick, lessens the symptoms if you do get infected through a more robust immune response, and helps reduce the spread of the virus.

You mention worse diseases for which no vaccination is required. Would you care to name a few? I can’t think of any with available vaccines that are more easily transmissible.

Regarding treatments for people who do get COVID, there’s monoclonal therapy. It’s effective and provided free, just like the vaccines. It really ought to be used more.
bboyjunyor
bboyjunyor 0
"Regarding treatments for people who do get COVID, there’s monoclonal therapy. It’s effective and provided free, just like the vaccines. It really ought to be used more."
Yet another reason for which emergency approval of vaccines should be invalid!!!

Let's see - yellow fever, MMR (the vaccine is name for all 3 diseases) and, as said, FLU which is just as easily transmissible (if not even more considering the number of infections; in terms of deaths many are not counted for the elderly and that's actually the problem with covid but they are counted there!)

If it's that bad why would they not use ivermectine, why would they not have started developing and testing pills or other treatments but they started tens of types of vaccines??

Look at australia and what they're doing and have become after they were thought of as one of the best democracies and best countries in terms of freedoms and liberties!

And if there's one thing that you have to remember - while this all is provided as something positive, it goes against your constitutional and human rights! A federal republic is not a dictatorship, people get to choose what they want! (even if you say they can do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt others and that they don't get vaccinated is how they can hurt others - that doesn't make sense! Again - not the only disease in the world, not the deadliest and there is a way to cure it and, better yet, there is a vaccine! The best way to protect yourself is actually by getting it, just like many other diseases! The self developed antiodies are far better than the vaccine option! (don't believe me? please don't but look it up for yourself!)

<The road to hell is paved with good intentions!>
bentwing60
bentwing60 -2
Take care of your bod and your own or listen to fraudshi, take the jab, and enter the unknown!

I literally am astounded that you, TH claim that anything is free and without consequence.
cristineagu
Cristi Neagu 0
Covid is also seasonal. Have you not looked at an infection chart? It peaks in the winter. Curiously, that is also when the flu peaks...
goldygold
dallas goldsmith 1
Some people are just dumbandslow trying to understand the science..
Ricovandijk
Rico van Dijk -5
Vaccinated people transit the virus at the same rate. A jab is just for your self, you don’t help anyone else with it. If you got jabbed, good for you, but you are not a hero now. Stop forcing other people to do what you want. Live and let live.
mikehe
Mike Hindson-Evans 3
Interesting choice of words; more like "live unvaccinated and let die."
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 4
That's false information. The latest research shows that vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID19. Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
cristineagu
Cristi Neagu -4
That article has no link to the actual study attached.
What we currently know, however, is that variants have appeared right after vaccines were introduced. The Delta variant, for example, appeared just a month after India started vaccine trials. We also have Pfizer techs admitting that natural immunity is way better than vaccine immunity.
So until I see that study, I don't buy it.
mikehe
Mike Hindson-Evans 3
"Natural immunity tends to evolve slowly after a lot of deaths...
ColinSeftel
Colin Seftel 1
Ok here's the actual research paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1
wan2fly99
Anthony Acri -3
I want my FA vaccinated. Read more about these vaccines. Read about vaccinated can amd will spread covid the same as un vax. Are you all leaving in a zombie world?

Did wearing these masks kill all your brain cells.

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