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The airline industry will release a COVID-19 passport for your iPhone next month

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After successfully trialing it on an international flight between Singapore and London earlier this month, the IATA says it will release its Travel Pass app in mid-April. The software allows airline travelers to store verified COVID-19 test results and vaccination certificates on their phones. The trade association told Reuters it expects to make the app available to download on iPhone around April 15th, with an Android version to follow later. (www.engadget.com) עוד...

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phowry
Phil Howry 35
I thought this was a venue for open topical discussion; I don't see the benefit of irrelevant personal insults and attacks by a few "members" on this site.

The design intent of free speech in America was to allow civil discussion of differing opinions not restricted by consensus, oversight permission, threat, and/or intimidation by others. Sadly, it seems civility is a dying, and/or already deceased, virtue in America.
artpauly
Art Pauly 9
Abusive language doesn't bother me. I only shows the lack of intelligence of the speaker. It renders their comments irrelevant and useless.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
Yes, but only independent free-thinkers see it as you do.
bruceahz
Bruce Horwitz 7
No, "free speech" is a prohibition on THE GOVERNMENT to prevent suppression of ideas the government doesn't like. Nothing to do with civility at all and in fact, uncivil discourse might be the most important protection of the Constitution. Try using abusive language about the leaders of a repressive regime and see what happens.
phowry
Phil Howry 16
My point being, raising your voice with vitriol and slander does not advance an argument, or constructively promote a level-of-awareness to a differing view/opinion.

When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the losers.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
That’s been the norm for the previous four years!
CCW1
John Prukop 0
Remember now, they all learned how to be civil from the TEL-A-LIE-VISION stupid tube! They tell you and everyone else HOW to think. Get it?
nmonjure
Noel Monjure 2
In my opinion, this is a tempest in a teapot. I have spent the last 35+ years flying millions of miles all over the world to serve the oil & gas industry. I always had my WHO “Yellow Book” with me listing all immunizations necessary for entry into a variety of countries. Without this yellow book, entry was not happening unless you wanted to roll up your sleeve in a very risky situation. I don’t see Covid vaccination being fundamentally different from Yellow Fever vaccination. Some may say this was paper & not a database but your information was certainly stored & later, digitized at every entry, I would really like to have this as an app or cloud based in case the yellow book is ever lost (again). There is a very simple solution for those who object to this requirement by airlines & other countrie. Don’t go there.
tankdoc
gerald imbriale 5
The first amendment simply says the government can't restrict you speech. That's it.
tabballard
Todd Ballard 9
Another entry in the pro column of owning my own aircraft.
A10Thunderbolt
Alan Sanderson 1
Headed to Australia any time soon ?
tabballard
Todd Ballard 3
Nope sorry. :)
Scumhook
Scumhook 1
lol why the downvotes on your question????
oh wait, is this where I get to scream about racism lol
johndmckayatty
John McKay 35
Hi folks, I'm an attorney practicing aviation law. I know the personalities on Fox News are making lots of arguments about HIPAA and the Constitution in connection with this development, but their arguments really need to be put into the context of what federal law actually is. You have a right under HIPAA (which is not the Constitution) to keep your medical history private. You do not have a right, under the Constitution or any federal or state law, to board an airplane. You board an airliner pursuant to a contract that you create with the private company that runs the airline, on their chosen terms (just like if you happen to be gay, and want to buy a wedding cake celebrating your marriage to another person of the same sex, you might have difficulty getting that done with certain private bakeries that are not as open minded as others). If a private airline, or a group representing multiple private airlines (IATA) wants to create a requirement that you show proof of vaccination prior to boarding, that is its/their right as private citizens running a private company. If you strenuously object to that on HIPAA grounds, you have every right to stay home, or to drive yourself to your destination in your own vehicle. Nothing in the Constitution (which I urge everyone to read--it's really not that long) is implicated by a private airline asking you to show proof of vaccination. Nor is HIPAA violated, because nobody is forcing you to divulge your medical history--it's a voluntary and very limited waiver if you want to do business with the airline. Remember: you can always drive, take a boat, or stay home and watch hours upon hours of political rants on your favorite news station. (And by the way, this isn't coming from some airline industry attorney--I sue the airlines every day on behalf of clients who have legitimate legal claims).
Terryjp
Terryjp 6
Then the airlines need to stop taking our tax dollars to stay afloat. After all, it’s a private company... Not all tax payers want this experimental vaccine . If the vaccine is so effective, you can’t catch the virus from the dirty masses .
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 6
They bet tax dollars to keep tens of thousands of people employed and a critical service going. Do you think we’d be better off if the airlines folded?
tongo
Dan Grelinger -4
Government bailouts don't save the businesses that they bailout. Without a bailout, the outcomes is very predictable. The business goes bankrupt, the investors likely lose everything, union contracts are nullified, the assets are sold and put to use by a new company who steps in to fill the void.

So, the airlines wouldn't go away. Would 'we' be better off? It depends on who 'we' is. If 'we' are the investors in the airline, then no, we would not be better off without taxpayers money flowing into our pockets to keep us from going bankrupt. If 'we' are the unions, then perhaps not, 'we' would not be better off as we would have to negotiate our benefits starting over with a new company.

But, the airlines would not go away. If this was your concern.
kevpnw
Kevin Toovey 3
Can you share the part of the article where airlines are requiring a COVID vaccination?
aurodoc
aurodoc 4
I don't think it is the airlines decision to require proof of vaccination, but the countries they fly to. Most of what is talked about is international travel not domestic in my opinion. My wife is going to Germany in 2 weeks and the country (Germany) is requiring a negative Covid test prior to entry so United is requiring passengers to have proof of the test prior to boarding. I would hope a vaccination card would stop the need for testing before boarding.
azuresc
Lanny Word 0
So with your logic, hospitals should stop taking tax dollars to stay afloat, as almost all of them are private now.
MelMalinowski
Mel Malinowski 1
Thanks, John. Well-argued. No shirt, no shoes, no vaccination, no service sounds like a free business in operation, the American way.
srobak
srobak 0
When the government has as much oversight, regulation, and involvement in day2day ops of airlines as they do (and should) - then the line between the company and the government become extremely blurred - and both passengers and the airlines have laws, rights and resources afforded to them through that very oversight & integration. Long and short of it - as a federally managed entity, and by all accounts falling under what could be identified as "common carrier" designation (such as in the telecomm realm) - The protections afforded by HIPAA should therefor extend to cover "customers" of the airline, just as they do any telecomm customers.

The airlines are simply operators of a service that is otherwise managed by the Fed. Airlines cannot operate without that management, regulation, oversight and integration.
johndmckayatty
John McKay 5
That's pretty much an argument to be made to your representatives in Congress. It does not accurately state what is currently the law.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -4
Your example about the baker did not have to do with 'public accommodation', did it? I thought the ruling was in regard that he could not be forced to create a particular piece of art that he, as an artist, did not want to create.

Airlines are public accommodations, are they not? Which would make your analogy moot.

What state you you practice in?
johndmckayatty
John McKay 16
Dan, I am licensed to practice in several U.S. states, as well as Ontario and England and Wales. I have also taught Aviation Law (and the Constitution) for many years. It doesn't do much good to get deep into the facts of the Colorado bakery case, I was simply making the point that private companies can set their own rules for doing business. Yes, airlines are regulated, but those regulations are primarily for safety. Allowing unvaccinated people on board airliners during a pandemic doesn't seem very consistent with safety, does it? And the fact that they receive tax dollars under certain circumstances doesn't make their airliners public property any more than it makes Bank of America's various lobbies into places where you and your family can have a picnic. So the "public accommodations" argument really isn't a winner.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
1. I am happy that you are licensed.
2. If the baker analogy was not a good one, why bring it up in the first place? It just confuses the discussion.
3. If allowing unvaccinated people on board airliners doesn't seem very consistent with safety, then where do you draw the line? Influenza killed hundreds of thousands before COVID, and I am sure that many of those caught it while travelling, yet?... Hundreds of thousands of people have died as a direct result of crashes, yet?... Getting up in the morning seems to cause the greatest number of heart attacks, yet?...

I advocate for people to be allowed to make their own decisions in matters such as these. Others seem to believe they have the right to be tyrants over others.
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 0
The tyrants are those who act in fear or an irrational belief and almost always without looking all the facts.

1) The Danish study proved masks are statistically irrelevant in the real world. Is there a cleaner environment than an airline cabin at altitude with better circulation?

2) Distance is your only friend. Yet, masks are supposed to make you safer in a human mailing tube where there are as many as eighteen people within six feet?

3) Airlines, particularly legacy carriers, are among some of the worst run businesses in history, especially in the United States. Do they think this is going to help their case by pushing this kind of stupidity? These are the same idiots who think you can reason with a toddler or autistic child, forcing them to wear a mask.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -6
No it's like thinking anyone reason with you, a complete uneducated dolt!
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
That does not even make any sense. Telling.
CCW1
John Prukop -1
THERE IS NO "PANDEMIC" - go watch the videos on EVENT 201 and the players. COVID IS A HOAX designed for an economic, global reset. Just watch Klaus Schwab of the NGO "The World Economic Forum" - another CON man likes Bill Gates.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -8
The ambulance chaser is letting you know, with his "Baker" comment that he is a Liberal and all opinions are render useless because he just gave that example, so go get your Vakseen ASAP and shut up about it or else the Vakseeen police gonna git ya!
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski -2
<GIF of people clapping>
CCW1
John Prukop -5
SORRY BUT NOT WHEN THE INDUCEMENT HAS BEEN PERPETRATED BY FRAUD! AND COVID IS NOT ONLY A HOAX IT IS A FRAUD! THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATION ON FRAUD, EXCEPT BY STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS - IN MOST STATES IF FRAUD IS DISCOVERED IT MUST BE PROSECUTED WITHIN THREE YEARS OF ITS DISCOVERY. ANOTHER THING. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS DO NOT CEASE TO EXIST AT THE ENTRY POINT OF THE AIRPORT OR THE BOARDING GATE OF THE AIRPLANE OR ON THE AIRPLANE. SEE 18 USC 241 AND 18 USC 242, ACTIONABLE UNDER 42 USC 1983.
jmadunleavy
John D 17
I had not read the article until now, my Lord, you are freaking out about nothing. There are no mandates suggested in this article. It more a matter of convenience. Especially for countries that may require a quarantine for international visitors. Showing proof you have been vaccinated or tested negative will more than likely keep you from having to sit in your hotel room for 10 days instead of lying on some Caribbean islands beach.

There are plenty of things in the world to get worked up about, folks this ain't one of them.
azuresc
Lanny Word 4
I’m pretty sure none of the people riled up have bothered to actually read the article.
srobak
srobak -3
just wait. it will be mandated before you board your next flight.
jmadunleavy
John D 3
Who cares? I got my vaccination. My superpowers are already developing. I am good!
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -6
If you get 3 times the Vakseen, you'll have 3 times the superpowers!
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -8
Awwe you are so adorable! what makes you think The Vaksseen PaSsPoRt will only be mandatory for your next flight?
srobak
srobak -1
You're missing my point. It's not a one and done. The mandate is coming and you're a fool if you think otherwise
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -8
wait a minute you fraekos! what is all the hoopla about not getting the PaSsPoRt Vakseen, just remember the Jewish people had to wear a Star of David and Branded to avoid being sent to a "Hotel Room" for 10 days isntead the got to bask in the sun in some death camp . . . I mean some insanely beautiful Caribean Island ;) Neeeeeext!
bobandjean08735
Jean Johnson 14
Good lord! I needed a certificate to travel to Asia and Africa. Couldn't enter the countries without proof I was vaccinated against a number of diseases. This is no different!
jmadunleavy
John D 5
There are a lot of people who live for drama. This thread is just a microcosm of what whipped up hysteria and false and incomplete information does to certain sectors.

The US has close to 600k dead from COVID-19, yet some (even on this thread) make statements that those causes of death have been falsified. Nonsense. That would be suggesting that thousands of medical professionals and medical examiners (which are part of law enforcement) have all conspired together to falsify death certificates for some unknown purpose. Right.
sledogpilot
Duane Mader 7
I’m not necessarily anti-vaccine but I know from first hand experience that cause of death has been falsified or mislabeled. One family friend of my wife’s had a brain tumor, was at a point where she was given just a few days to live and had the cause of death listed as Covid because she tested positive but wasn’t necessarily Covid symptomatic.
Have heard many other anecdotes
jmadunleavy
John D 1
My first wife died of cancer. Her cause of death was listed as sepsis. Underlying condition as stated on the death certificate was they actual illness.

I expect your friend's death certificate looked similar to my first wife's. The medical examiner or physician list the immediate cause of death as COVID, helped along by brain cancer.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -4
I believe that your description of what reasonably happens is a very good reason to doubt that COVID has actually killed all the people it has been claimed to kill.

"How did he die?"

"Gravity."

"What do you mean, gravity killed him?"

"He was despondent and jumped from the 30th floor. Gravity killed him."
A10Thunderbolt
Alan Sanderson 5
GRAVITY is fine..flying through the air doesn't hurt you. It's the SUDDEN STOP at the conclusion of the flight that gets you.
Scumhook
Scumhook 2
hahaha exactly

also, any landing you walk away from is a good landing
tongo
Dan Grelinger -1
And any landing that doesn't prevent use of the equipment for another flight is a great landing!
azuresc
Lanny Word 3
Dan give us a number that works for you of Americans who have died from COVID that you find acceptable. Is 300,000, 200,000, 100,000, how many people have to die for you to feel any sort of compassion for those that have. What number will it take for you to see it as worthy of your attention? Just curious what it takes to engage your brain.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
How many people have died from all causes possible? Do you advocate tyranny in an attempt to prevent ALL deaths from every cause? If not, why do you single out COVID? Because not enough people have died?

To paraphrase someone else: "how many people have to die for you to feel any sort of compassion for those that have. What number will it take for you to see it as worthy of your attention? Just curious what it takes to engage your brain."
aurodoc
aurodoc 6
From early data comparing 2019 to 2020 it looks like a 16 percent increase in the number of US deaths. There is generally some increase year to year but this is more excessive than expected.
azuresc
Lanny Word 4
It’s amusing that you never manage to answer any questions but always demand more answers from others. Good luck with your smoke and mirrors game. You can waste your with someone else.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -4
I noticed that you could not answer the question either. I think you understand the game that you are playing.

If you're not playing a game, then how many people must die from anything before you care about them?

Do you see how ridiculous your question is?
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski 3
Not to mention the millions who will end up living with long term complications.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -2
Can you answer the question on the table: "How many people have to die (from anything) for you to feel any sort of compassion for those that have [died]. What number will it take for you to see it as worthy of your attention?"

That's the challenge, don't deflect!
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski 2
wow you really are arguing with everyone here.
And losing those arguments pretty badly.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -3
As it would seem to one who does not understand.
jmadunleavy
John D 1
You can't be that misinformed, can you?
tongo
Dan Grelinger -5
And pray, tell me, what is the misinformation I posted?
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski 0
If you break your arm, go to the hospital, get an infection and die, the broken arm didnt kill you. The infection either brought on by the broken arm or caught in the hospital is what kills you. The broken arm was a pre existing condition.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -3
And if you have a terminal illness, such that a DNR order is in effect before you catch COVID, and then you catch COVID, and treatment is limited because of the DNR order, which is because of the terminal condition, then did you really die of COVID? Especially since without your pre-existing terminal condition you would have, like the majority of others, have survived it?

This is much closer to what happened in large numbers than your broken arm example. But, I'm sure you'll use better examples next time.
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski 3
If you are ESTIMATED to die 2 weeks from now but die in a week then yes COVID killed you.
Think of it this way if you have a heart attack, then go to surgery and the doc accidentally tears your heart chamber, the heart attack didnt kill you the doc did.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -2
I believe that your analogy is flawed. If you're heart attack was such that your probability of living was just 1% only if the doctor performed a risky treatment, which then failed due to the known damage that would occur inherent with the procedure, what killed you? The heart attack, or the risky treatment?

The reason that this discussion is important is because not all risks are equal. Many, many people, assume that all risk of death is equally bad and must be avoided all costs. If the world ran this way, we would have paralyzed ourselves long ago.

Another way of looking at it. Would you consider your hypothetical death caused by some malady at the age of 99 years old the same tragedy as your death caused by a different malady at the age of 39? I would, and I believe that is reasonable.

Therefore, the tragedy of a thing that kills me one week before I was going to die from something unavoidable anyway is nowhere near equal to the tragedy of something that killed me when I was nowhere near dying. And we should not treat it as the same tragedy, or we are being ridiculous.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
Please, allow me to correct my typo. "Would you consider your hypothetical death caused by some malady at the age of 99 years old the same tragedy as your death caused by a different malady at the age of 39? I would NOT, and I believe that is reasonable."
Pete48y
Pete48y 3
The facts are the hospitals get somewhere in the tune of $36000 or more for every COVID case so anybody who died from say a heart attack who happened to have COVID was listed as a COVID death!!
jmadunleavy
John D 2
Not accurate. You are also accusing medical professionals of committing a felony. The Annenberg Center (which is no Snopes or other alleged fact checker) is pretty clear on this.
Medicare audits stuff all the time and punishment is severe for fraud, including jail.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/
Pete48y
Pete48y 1
srobak
srobak 0
JohnD you need to watch this - from the horse's mouth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SjwUXyP8j4
azuresc
Lanny Word 4
My god, when will people quit using YouTube video s as proof of their ill informed beliefs. I can make a YouTube video saying the exact opposite and claim to be someone of knowledge and import. It doesn’t mean any of it is true. I say this with respect, please use legitimate references, not the same place you can watch the WAP video.
jmadunleavy
John D 3
I was thinking the same thing. Why would I waste my precious eyesight watching some nutjob spout about crazy stuff?
Pete48y
Pete48y -2
Downvoting the truth I see!!! I guess facts don’t matter to the emotional left.
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski 0
COVID effects the heart, the inflammation causes the heart attack.
Its the insurance companies and hospital admins who are charging the government more money for medicare and medicaid patients ONLY. And most of that cost is for long term care, rehabilitation, and yes some greedy people hospitals and insurance companies.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 1
Beside yellow fever (which is endemic in very few countries and almost inexistant nowadays) you don’t have to show a vaccination proof for any other disease.
Pete48y
Pete48y -3
It is different! It’s not a vaccine. It’s an experimental drug. All RNA so called vaccines in the past have had a 100 percent failure rate when tested on animals!! They all died!!
jlfc
jose figueroa -3
Simply to accurate, to put it mildly.
serdyfsx12
JOE SERDYNSKI 21
Sadly, information will be used for selling crap by the Techno-Capital-Shiny Things Complex . . .
srobak
srobak 12
Because they don't already have any of your information in order for you to fly in the first place. What info is going to be attained that they don't already have?
dc8fr8
Tom Kinnie 6
If you’re scared of getting it get the shot if not leave the rest of us alone.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -2
They need to get the vaccine for us to reach herd immunity. I hope all you anyi-vaxers get COVID and die, let Darwinism rule.
sho69607
Spencer Hoefer 1
refusing to get a vaccine that is not FDA approved does not make you an anti-vaxxer.
jhal
John Haller 1
So, since Phizer has all the data to submit for FDA approval, that after the FDA approves it, that people waiting for an approved vaccune will get the vaccine.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -1
Ah, you've let your true hate colors fly proudly once again...
KineticRider
Randy Marco -1
Definitely I hate seditionists and ignoramuses that attack the Capitol and believe trumps won when he clearly lost!
ronlyn41
ronlyn41 12
Add a note to our biometric passports. Thats is all that is required by any country needing the info for entry. And all the people saying anyone accepting this are all "sheep". Maybe you should stop using any mobile phone, laptop or APP's you have on it. You are being tracked no matter what you do so get over yourselves and stop the name calling. It is not your decision it is their own.
srobak
srobak 0
The tracking is not the issue. The forcing of compliance for something that is be, is the issue.
srobak
srobak 0
jeliop
John Eliopoulos -8
I don’t get tracked.
paultrubits
paul trubits 8
If you are on social media(like FA) you are being tracked
waypoint66
David Rice 1
You think anyone cares whether you get tracked? Thanks for posting, but who cares about you and your twisted beliefs?
Vkdhar
Vijay Dhar 22
There used to be a time when travel required WHO yellow cards for travel to make sure people were vaccinated and not spreading virus. NO FREEDOMS WERE LOST, GOVERNMENT DIDN'T TAKE OVER & TRACK YOU.

Now America has turned into a bunch of wooses, and drinking the kool-aid of freedom without any responsibility.

Driving a car/Truck requires license
Flying an airplane requires license
Being a doctor requires a license
Being a lawyer requires a license
On and on ... To protect the society from grifters causing death, distruction, or mayhem.

You get a vaccine for chickenpox, shingles, flu, TB, etc.etc - TO protect yourself and others.
NO NANO-BOTS,NO TRACKING, NO CHEM-TRAILS, NO EARTH IS NOT FLAT, WE DID GO TO MOON!

Grow up ...
Get a vaccine ...
Put a mask on ...
Let people know you are safe to travel ...

WITH FREEDOM COMES RESPONSIBILITY!
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 3
I never had to show a vaccine passport after having chickenpox, shingles, flu, TB, typhus, cholera, measles, Ebola, plague, etc... NEVER I was asked for a vaccine passport to board a plane as a passenger. Only vaccination required was for yellow fever in case you fly to a country where yellow fever is endemic. They don’t want you to catch yellow fever when you land. I have taken flights transiting in Bangui going to Brazzaville. Passengers leaving the aircraft in Bangui needed the vaccination but not those going to Brazzaville. No mask in the plane, no social distanciation. Don’t mix anything with everything.
srobak
srobak 8
Yet voting requires nothing and is considered racist if it does. probably far more important and Davis than any of the other things that you've listed above which requires identification and licensure.
DragonflyPR
Luis Lao 7
Where I live, a voting card is required to exercise your voting right. A citizen concerned with his country's safe and just electoral system will love to have a form of stopping electoral tampering and illegal aliens from voting. That form is a valid voting ID! This requirement is as just and Constitutionally right as the Driver's License required to operate a motor vehicle. Those who oppose this use of a valid ID to exercise the right to vote are giving away their country to illegal aliens.
srobak
srobak 2
we know this. that's why we are fighting to get voter ID implemented - but are being called racists for doing so.
sactownhammer
Sam Buhagiar 4
What nonsense. You need a legal document to register to vote. I’ve shown ID when voting at a polling place. Have to sign my name, which needs to match my registration for mail in ballots or drop off boxes. It seems odd that Republicans need to suppress the vote, in order to win. Texas spent 22,000 man house to check each vote for voter fraud. 16 votes had the wrong address. Stop the steak was a farce.
srobak
srobak 1
you need to stop watching MSDNC
KineticRider
Randy Marco -1
Your words make apparent your ignorance.
kjjmac
Karen McCullough 8
Then why is Biden allowing illegals who tested POSITIVE for the corona virus to wander into not only the border states but when these illegals were “advised” to self-quarantine, they said “no, we are going to other states”. So in essence, Biden is giving more freedom to illegals than to American citizens. He is a train wreck and the VP is a cackling moron. All she does is laugh inappropriately.
ifbac
ifbac 2
You are correct Karen and the VP is absolutely NUTS!!
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -1
That is what happens when a well know Charlatan and a hooker steal the 2020 election!
Bfdfireman35
Brian Onstad 3
You do what you need to do to feel safe like stay home instead of traveling !!! And leave everyone else’s freedoms alone. Wear your 3 masks and hide in your basement we’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out !
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -4
And Fox News profits on the hatred and rage. Without it, Fox News itself would die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWYIqwJqKbE&t=6s
N888EG
Carl Keil 2
Doubt it. The truthful reporting wins.
KineticRider
Randy Marco 0
No paranoia, lies & conspiracies win EVERY time with the idiots as proved by Fox Entertainment and most repugnant's that believe the lies spewed!
srobak
srobak 0
we don't want to keep people out. we want to let people in - legally and with due process. only the radical left is pushing forth unamerican values. try again.
N888EG
Carl Keil 0
Are you making a case for the return of the WHO Yellow Vaccination cards?
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 0
Quick questions, do I need A "License" to walk? do I need a "License to go and at a restaurant"
do I need a "License" to got to Church/Temple? does my kids need a "License" to ride their skateboards? do I need a "License" to go for a run" please almighty lets know which other responsibility's did we fail to aby by in order to keep you delicate garden rose?
Pete48y
Pete48y -5
Stuff you experimental drug and mask where the sun don’t shine - sheeple

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jmadunleavy
John D 8
That statement is completely untrue.
MultiComm
MultiComm 9
Maybe I am behind the times but allowing digitized passports seems a bit more concerning that simply facilitating a way for proof of vaccinations. IATA is not over reaching by creating an app for this process as it is only aiding the various countries are that making this proof of vaccination a requirement for entry.
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 1
I just checked visa requirement for Thailand. Being vaccinated or not does not make any difference, Still need the PCR tes, the 2 weeks quarantaine with PCR tests every 5 days before being freed from internment. On top of that you need a Covid insurance of $100,000 even if you are vaccinated or not. Now with 99.6% recovery rate in case of infection, my chance of recovery is much better than the hypothetical short, mid and long term consequences of the vaccine.
srobak
srobak -4
It should not be proof nor a requirement
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -5
It SHOULD be proof, AND a requirement. Eventually this virus is going to get worse. It will get stronger (already has), it will get deadlier (it already has).

Something as simple as a virus really could wipe out ALL human life on this planet. It's not 'fake news', it's not lies, it's not a way to control people, IT'S FACT! We ALL need to realize that this virus feeds on inaction, fear, stubbornness...
MHunkler
Michael Hunkler 0
Current mRNA “vaccines” last 6 months. 2 shots twice a year for life? When do passports get renewed?
srobak
srobak -1
at this point - that really would be for the best, anyhow.
NancySliwa
Nancy Sliwa 7
I cannot get the shot due to underlying health challenges that would be exacerbated by it. Am I to be forever forbidden to use the airlines?
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 3
Don’t worry, many “low-cost” airlines will jump in and cater to the business of non vacinnated passengers, make money and take over the failed IATA airlines...
TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 2
The article says test information can also be stored, so assuming that it’s adopted a negative test would probably be accepted. Possibly other medical information verifying one of the rare conditions that make vaccination impossible.
azuresc
Lanny Word 1
You would simply be required to show a negative test before boarding and, in most countries quarantine for a given amount of days. As everyone else who chooses not to submit their vaccination information. So there are other options for people unable or unwilling to take the vaccine. It can be inconvenient and cost more to travel. But as someone with underlying health issues that often reduce my ability to walk any distance, I have to arrive early and wait for assistance, almost always paying for that assistance at both ends of my air travel. So having underlying health issues comes with extra costs and restrictions when traveling, welcome to the real world.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -3
Hmmm, isn't that called "Segregation" Libtards and communist lovers rant so much about, plus all the collage of B.U.L.L. S.H.I.T you added to it???
azuresc
Lanny Word 1
I’m sorry your intelligence is so low you don’t understand basic English and can only reply with demeaning babel. I’ll take your reply as an endorsement of its validity.
cookiepotter550
Marguerite Potter 5
And oh! I was tested for Covid to go to Antigua in January - and the State of Florida sent me a text asking me if I wanted the results! Whatever happened to HIPPA? So, only the people I say can access my medical records, except the government? I asked and was told that the results went to FL without my name....uh, they had my cell phone to contact me - do they think we're stupid?
bingobanner
Russ Brown 9
OMG! The next thing you know is they will require a license to drive a car or maybe even an airplane!
The horror!
Both sides, take your arguments elsewhere. This kind of discourse ruins Flight Aware.
srobak
srobak 3
but not to vote. cause - that's racist.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
How was that post NOT hypocritical?
andyc852
Andy Cruickshank -1
Pete48y
Pete48y -7
I agree O-bama M-ust G-o
MelMalinowski
Mel Malinowski 9
This is little different than requiring the old yellow vaccination book to prove you're properly prepared for yellow fever, etc.. It's just more secure (paper vaccination cards are so easily forged, they're already doing it). I don't want scoff-law anti-vaxxers sitting next to me on a 12 hour flight without a mask. Better this than the alternatives. If you don't like it, take a train, boat, or maybe dogsled. If you think you're not already being tracked by Google and others, you're out of touch. Get over it.
wardoggkc130fe
Richard Warren 2
You seemed to have lived this long "sitting next to anti-vaxxers" up to this point. Congratulations.
srobak
srobak 0
you didn't have to carry the yellow vaccination book around with you everywhere that you went - and you also weren't forced to get those vaccinations either. I still have my yellow book and it's got handwritten signatures in it buy doctors from eons ago - none of which could be tracked or verified today. I'm not at all an anti vaxxer, but the entire premise of this disease not to mention the supposed vaccination that still requires you to wear a mask and be socially distant does not compute. vaccinations have never been required nor forced upon us in order to travel in the past - even for diseases that are far far deadlier than this one supposedly is. But for this one we are? No.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being tracked it has everything to do with being controlled. If you can't tell the difference - then you have already fallen victim to it. Get over it.
TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 4
Your knowledge of history seems to be virtually absent. All sorts of health requirements have been present for travel in the past. Educate yourself and stop spouting nonsenses.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -1
srobak has no knowledge just epic ignorance exacerbated by Fox disinformation.
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 0
Oh yes, when and which health requirements have been present for travel in the past? Never an airline has been enforcing any rules to allow you to board an aircraft. The yellow fever card was mandatory for entering a country where the fever was endemic. Of course in case entry was denied on arrival because you were not vaccinated, the airline had to repatriate the traveler at its own expenses, so they decided to ask for the vaccination card when boarding and made sure you were not denied entry into the destination country. But even without the card people did travel and enter the country at their own risk.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -8
Controlled? Fox News controls so many people in this country. The irony is almost priceless.

They lead the uneducated in this country around by their noses. It's embarrassing...
N888EG
Carl Keil 2
Robert - All of your rants seem to be about Fox news which is off topic.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -1
Fox ENTERTAINMENT is on point as that's where you idiots get your disinformation from.... which is easy to ascertain given you parrot the lies!
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 1
Oh! god forbid FakeNews CNN,CBS,ABC,NBC,MSNBC did something like that! I have never heard the news anchor brother of a Sexual Predator Governor lead Libtards by their noses ! it would be embarrassing!
KineticRider
Randy Marco -1
EXACTLY Robert; however the one and only good thing Fox Entertainment has done is enable us to quickly ascertain the ignoramuses among us.

FYI, Fox is NOT news their lawyers have stated that in their recent court filings defending the defamation lawsuits pending against them.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -1
Huu! I wonder how much did Nick Sandman got in his lawsuit against FakenewsCNN? I heard he is a MultiMillionare now, barely 19 years old, but sure "uneducated, ignoramuses" . . . what else you say?
M20ExecDriver
M20ExecDriver 15
Like the gun laws in the United States, nothing but a false sense of security and another way of keeping track of your actions.The march to a police state continues.
N888EG
Carl Keil 2
YES and NO - not to tract your actions - "they" already do that - but to CONTROL your actions. Your smart phone tracks you every second of every day and reports all of that.
doublet
doublet 3
Google Android tracks much of what you look up. Apple iOS not so much. This has been a subject of quite a.few articles recently. If you install Chrome on your iPhone your level of tracking went up 20 fold.

[This comment has been downvoted. Show anyway.]

kjjmac
Karen McCullough 2
You have that completely backwards. It’s the Democrats who add all of the unneeded regulations and who are trying to control your children’s learning, what you read and see and almost every facet of your life they try to control. Now they’re using fear as control. Red states who did not have lockdowns are doing as well as blue states who did. Ironic, don’t you think?
tongo
Dan Grelinger 6
Karen, if you read many of Robert's posts, you will see that his practice is to project the evils of his own position onto the opposite side. It is a common technique today of those spreading bias and misinformation. Many of his past posts doing this have been downvoted into oblivion.
N888EG
Carl Keil -1
Strange post. The richest people in the world are democrats - how did that happen? And they support not having police which of course is a proven winner - not!
Pete48y
Pete48y -3
jmadunleavy
John D 5
Scanning through a lot of these conspiracy theory comments is interesting. I have a saying that goes like" There are forces at work determined to keep you enraged". Not much in this thread seems to prove otherwise.
sharadiva
Shara Di Valerio 6
WHOA! Comments are off the charts. Quite entertaining. A self promoting attorney who sues airlines daily, people on the left and right hating each other and demanding they stay home because one has more “rights” than the other and a minor amount of civil and reasonable comments. This could be a housewives of FlightAware reality show.

Anyway - someone halfway reasonable please explain why vaccines for Covid19 would be mandatory when other vaccines for much more deadly diseases are not. Thanks.
johndmckayatty
John McKay 4
Hi, “self promoting attorney” here. Because there’s a pandemic.
sharadiva
Shara Di Valerio 5
Hi self promoting attorney :-) Yes there is a pandemic. So are you implying that once the pandemic is over, the need for proof of Covid19 vaccines will go away also?
johndmckayatty
John McKay 6
I guess that remains to be seen, doesn't it? I don't run the airlines, and you won't get much argument from me that sometimes they do things that are really annoying. But as a few astute folks have noted here on today's overblown debate about everything that annoys them, it wouldn't be very profitable for the airlines to make people do something they don't want to do if there is no reason behind it. As for whether there is currently a reason for it, I think we should all listen to the bona fide epidemiologists on that subject rather than TV personalities who happen to be radiologists. Or TV personalities who don't have any medical degrees at all. I heard your exact argument on Sean Hannity last night (or was it Tucker Carlson? They kind of run together...) and it didn't seem to have any sound science behind it. There is currently a coronavirus pandemic raging through just about every country on earth that has killed nearly 3 million people, 546,818 of them here in the U.S. That's a good reason to be cautious in my book. Epidemiologists seem to agree. We have vaccines now, but nobody knows how long they last or how strong they are against the mutations that are cropping up. Another good reason to be cautious rather than reckless. We also don't know for certain whether vaccinated people are still capable of being vectors for the spread of the virus. We have some developing ideas, but science dictates to proceed cautiously. When I was a kid, astronauts returning from space had to be placed in quarantine because of what we didn't know about what they might be carrying back from space. Careful science eventually determined that we don't need to, and it isn't done anymore. From the beginning of this pandemic, scientists with lots more experience with infectious disease than Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson combined have urged patience and adherence to things like masks and social distancing until we can eradicate this virus. A little patience and cooperation is not a huge ask, and I can guarantee you that it will not cause the downfall of America. And for those who believe the Constitution says you have the right to do whatever you damn well please, I urge you to actually sit down and read it. It doesn't; that would be anarchy. Instead, it sets up a federal government atop a system of several individual state governments. Government, by its very nature, requires some cooperation with our fellow participants in the government. We aren't sheep, we're citizens. Where is Rodney King when we need him most?
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 1
It's strange how there is so much debate about death, compassion, control, lack of freedom because of a virus with a 99.6% recovery. We have shut down the world economy, closed the schools, people lost their jobs, their businesses and their homes, mental illness and suicides are at their peaks meanwhile we dropped 2 atomic bombs in 1945 killing as many people as Covid (if it can be proven that the pandemic killed that many people, WWII killed 100 times more people as Covid, the Armenian genocide by the Turks killed 1.5 million people, we dropped napalm on Vietnam and killed 885,000 people, slaughter a few more at My Lai and we talk about care and compassion, about obliging people to wear masks and keep their distances, we tell people they are egoistic because they want to live a normal life without segregation and being obliged to get a stupid failed vaccine while millions of people have recovered and have produced enough antibodies for the rest of their lives. How much hypocrisy are we going to endure?
jmadunleavy
John D 1
Amen! Well stated
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
What defines a pandemic? Is it black or white, or shades of gray? Is there an exact number of dead?
Who defines what a pandemic is? Is it debatable? Why, if it's a pandemic, is it important to save lives, but if it is not defined as a pandemic, it's OK to go about life as 'normal', knowing that lives will be lost by living our lives in what we consider a normal way? Is it OK to not care about lives by living normally as long as someone hasn't used the pandemic word? I am not asking these questions in jest. These are very pertinent questions that everyone should be asking, if they are thinking.
johndmckayatty
John McKay 5
Honestly, I think you can Google the definition of a pandemic and how one is determined to exist. But “deadly epidemic” and “common sense when lives are at risk” work just as well.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -4
I didn't think you had an answer. Thanks for confirming.

If simply using the term as a justification for your position (in your post above), it would seem reasonable to have a precise definition for it.
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski -1
Why do they say the sky is blue? Isnt it more of a blue aster? Is it because you are taught from an early age? And what about color blind people? To them the sky is gray? Where is their right to call the sky gray? Am i making any sense? Are there to many questions to answer? Did i leave my stove on? Jim never has a second cup of coffee at home?
tongo
Dan Grelinger -2
I'm not sure I can help you with all of your questions, but one of them I'm sure I have a good answer!

"Am i making any sense?"

No!
azuresc
Lanny Word 2
There are other vaccines for deadly diseases required to travel to several countries. Do you ever travel out of the country? I’ve had to provide vaccination proof to more than one country. I’d gladly use this app. But that said, you don’t have to use it but you will have to provide it before you are allowed to board your flight or you will be refused boarding. If you were to board, you would be denied entry to the country and turned around and sent back.
KatZeh
Kat Zeh -1
What more deadly diseases do you refer to?
sharadiva
Shara Di Valerio 2
The Flu, Ebola. Viral hepatitis...

Hey I’m trying to ruffle feathers, make enemies or get into some lengthy debate, it was a simple question. And only attorney guy answered my question far.

But I am serious about a “Housewives of FlightAware” show. Hee hee.

Except I believe it would be called “TheySpouses of FlightAware ” to be politically correct. I digress...
sharadiva
Shara Di Valerio 3
NOT trying to ruffle feathers...


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Scumhook
Scumhook 0
azuresc
Lanny Word 1
Yellow Fever, Meningitis and surprisingly even polio and certain countries. Next time do your own homework. I can give you the countries too if that makes you feel better. Also little tidbit of fact, in 1944, there was a travel requirement for people to show a Smallpox vaccination before travel, so this is nothing new. Just an app that people have the option to use or not use.
aurodoc
aurodoc 3
An interesting tidbit about smallpox. George Washington ordered the vaccination of all his soldiers to prevent illness and potentially wiping out his Army
tongo
Dan Grelinger -2
The wonderful things we learn on this thread!

Edward Jenner did not publish his work on the smallpox vaccine until 1801.

George Washington commanded the Continental Army from 1775 until 1783. He died in 1799.

He really was ahead of his time, wasn't he?
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski 0
Well that proves it then. Nothing can exist until its published.
Hold my beer.
The first clear reference to smallpox inoculation was made by the Chinese author Wan Quan (1499–1582) in his Douzhen xinfa (痘疹心法) published in 1549.[33] Inoculation for smallpox does not appear to have been widespread in China until the reign era of the Longqing Emperor (r. 1567–1572) during the Ming Dynasty.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -1
OK, I'm holding your beer, but your post indicates you've probably drunk too much already, so I'm not giving it back.

Why did you change the subject? Perhaps it's because what I said was spot on, and you had some evil desire to fight me? So you changed to a different subject in order to obfuscate others?

Vaccine is not inoculation. Unless you are uninformed on medical terms. The original poster's subject was vaccination (which, by definition, requires a vaccine), not inoculation. I continued with his subject without changing it. If you felt the need to post, you should have stayed on topic.
aurodoc
aurodoc 1
I should have been more specific by saying immunization. While Jenner used cowpox, prior to this small amounts of smallpox from active pustules was used for immunization. If folks who are leery about vaccination then I would anticipate that the acceptance of injecting smallpox for immunization would probably be a no go as well
captbruce
captbruce 4
Outstanding news! Travel is opening up and here is a way to prove your immunization with a minimum of hassle.
royalbfh
royalbfh 9
such a sad state of affairs, and all of this for a virus that has a 99.8% overall recovery rate. I think anyone that has ever been arrested or had a DUI or perhaps anyone with the AIDS virus or any other condition should have to show there health passport. Just toss out all of those pesky health privacy laws. where does this all end?
ChrisRisley
Chris Risley 17
It ends when we stop voting for a certain brand of politician that uniformly supports this kind of thing. Elections have consequences.
mutrock
Mark Kortum 3
Problem is the selection of brands on the shelf today is either bad or worse. The two major parties work like a cartel, limiting consumer choice.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
The 'parties' are made up of their respective voters and put up candidates who people have voted for. "In a democracy, the people get the government that they deserve." When voting moves from a privilege that should be exercised in an informed, educated, and responsible (unselfish) way to 'just go do what the media tells you', we have what we have today.
N888EG
Carl Keil -5
But sadly, technology won this past election and millions of votes were cast by non-people. And that technology was driven by Democrats and accepted by non-refuting Rhinos.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 1
Specially when the voters of one of those two "Parties" have dead people, Illegal alien's, and double to triple voters and a very cute glitch around 11pm. "Stolen Elections have consequences"
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 0
hmmm! wonder who said " Elections have consequences " beside you Chris, Tip: He posted mean tweets.
mutrock
Mark Kortum 3
Many countries try to check for DUI, although the electronic records are not yet sophisticated enough. Canada does. They have access to most US records and will absolutely not allow a US citizen to cross into Canada with a DUI conviction.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -2
Don't tell the 'open border' folks!
azuresc
Lanny Word 2
Just so you understand, this information is for the countries that people are traveling to. So to answer your question about people with HIV, obviously you aren’t informed enough to understand that HIV isn’t AIDS so I’m going to assume you are taking about the former not the latter, several countries do require proof of that. Actually until recently, it was illegal to enter into the US if you were HIV positive. So, yes countries can require proof of anything they want from people entering their country. I think everyone here needs to understand that this is simply a way to make providing this information. You don’t have to use it but you will have to provide it to get on a flight to certain countries because that country requires it.
watkinssusan
mary susan watkins 5
i think this is not such a great idea..there is too much room for misuse and i might add, a lot of people who dont understand using apps in this way..
dnorthern
dnorthern 6
Over reach. IATA is full of crap.
raleedy
ALLAN LEEDY 2
How is it overreach to allow a vaccination record for use while traveling? What we have here is overreaction.
mutrock
Mark Kortum 3
You ever boil a frog?
serdyfsx12
JOE SERDYNSKI 3
kinda like Voter Fraud . . .
dnorthern
dnorthern -5
Ones health status is not the airline’s business THAT is the over reach. Sadly you and the sheep fail to realize that.

You would fit in well either the 1930s Germany and today’s China thought management
waypoint66
David Rice 6
You better read the terms of carriage you agree to when you purchase an airline ticket. Your health status IS DEFINITELY their business. In fact, their monitoring of your health status during your time with them IS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE CONTRACTUALLY SELLING YOU. Who’s the sheep, I fly myself around? Wait, they’re calling your boarding group, can’t you hear the “baaa”?
KicksOnRoute66
Roger Anderson 7
You do realize in some Caribbean countries, you need to show proof of a yellow fever shot (depending on where you reside). Why is this a problem now? The airlines explicitly tell you that you may be asked for it either by the airline or by immigration on arrival.
dnorthern
dnorthern -3
You do realize you are making an absolutely inane comparison. The two are unequal.

The ignorance of the masses is frightening.
royalbfh
royalbfh -1
do you realize that in some Caribbean countries they do not have a Constitution that guarantees freedom and liberties and restricts the Government over the people?
waypoint66
David Rice 7
What freedom are you claiming is being denied to you? You don’t have to purchase the product being sold to you (airline travel), and guess what? They don’t have to sell it to you. Enjoy your long car rides. Look up, you’ll see me policing my personal plane overhead.
azuresc
Lanny Word 1
Do you realize you don’t have a right to go there either. Their rules, your choice.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
Following the immigration rules of other countries? Now there's a novel idea.
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 6
When vaccination is required by the government to travel and board the aircraft, then it IS the airline’s business.

Using the electronic vaccination record is optional and a matter of convenience, but you’re going to have to show proof of vaccination for certain flights, and that will be recorded by the airline anyway.
azuresc
Lanny Word 2
Most of these people are railing about something that isn’t the issue. You are absolutely right, it’s the foreign country that are requiring documentation. Airlines are doing this on behalf of said countries. You can always present your vaccination manually and not use the app. Simply. If they have their panties in a wad because of the requirements of other countries, the don’t need to go to said countries.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
I think your suggestions apply to ALL people, not just U.S. citizens! That's worth a thumbs up, thank you!
dnorthern
dnorthern -1
The government train is over there. It will take you to safety.

Along with other ignorant sheep
TorstenHoff
Torsten Hoff 9
There is no constitutionally protected right to fly, and you are already required to show government issued IDs to board the aircraft.

If you are not comfortable having an app with your proof of vaccination on your phone and prefer a paper record, that is your prerogative. But equating requiring proof of vaccination with what happened in Nazi Germany is ridiculous.
srobak
srobak -3
Showing ID is not the issue. Being forced to take a vaccination that is unnecessary when there are far deadlier things out there that do not require proof for vaccination or anyting else - is the issue.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 1
Oh may! where were you when millions of Jews where branded and stamp with a star of David and sent to death camps, how dare we healthy free people compare the Chinese Communist Party Wuhan Virus pAsSpoRt scheme to what happen in Nazi Germany, Ridiculous I say!
azuresc
Lanny Word 1
Then take the bus or fly private.
srobak
srobak -3
It should not be required by the government to travel. Or anyone else.
dnorthern
dnorthern -5
waypoint66
David Rice 4
Yes, seriously. If you purchase an airline ticket you have agreed to letting the airline monitor your health. Learn to read, instead of simply bleating and babbling, you mindless sheep. Your boarding group has been called, didn’t you hear the “baaa”. No go be a passenger, while us pilots laugh at you!
BradWebster
Brad Webster 4
Being a pilot alone does not make you smart
srobak
srobak -3
Their ability to monitor my health only extenze to the immediacy of it. They have no access nor any right to access any of my medical history. if you don't know that then you should read the documents that you've signed.
chemexaz
che mex 1
Your comparisons are ridiculous and baseless
Pete48y
Pete48y -1
Because it’s not a vaccine- it’s an experimental drug as per the FDA
srobak
srobak -1
It is over reach to require a vaccination for traveling. You're missing that point
ADXbear
ADXbear 6
This is BS.. I'll show my vaccine card in person, but enough of all this technology and our personal info. If we need documents to travel domestically, this in too close to Nazi Germany days.. no papers!
chemexaz
che mex 8
Nazi Germany? Are you kidding? If you aren't, you should read a history book on what Nazi Germany really was and did....
jeliop
John Eliopoulos -7
You were there?! BS.
chemexaz
che mex 3
you know how to read?
waypoint66
David Rice -9
We’re you there when your mamma and the neighbors dog conceived you? Then you have no idea who your daddy is right?
srobak
srobak 4
You do realize that you have had to show documents in order to travel domestically for many decades, right? Try getting on a plane even before 9/11 without showing an ID.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 1
Yep, did that.
jimjab
Jim Jablonski 3
If you don’t want to use the app don’t use it. Why are you making a federal case out of it, I have been seeing where this is Mandatory.
6683bravo
mike orf 4
But no ID for voters right?
ChrisRisley
Chris Risley 0
Not if you want to steal elections.
testtubetony
testtubetony 4
Be prepared for lawsuits. How can they mandate something that isn't even FDA approved? Emergency use authorization is not the same as FDA approval! Completely unconstitutional!
bruceahz
Bruce Horwitz 6
A private company can mandate anything they want as long as it doesn't discriminate against protected groups. Ain't got nothing to do with the Constitution.
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 0
As long as they operate on their own fundings and don’t beg for public money to survive, they can revoke their mission of public transportation. But we are talking about IATA airlines and if they implement their Covid passport they’ll loose customers big time and the “low” cost airlines will take over their business. It did happen before. The market shall decide the outcome of this blackmail.
azuresc
Lanny Word 2
You do know the IATA is a travel organization not an airline so what customers are they going to loose? Also, most hospitals in this country are private now and the get billions of taxpayer dollars, are you going after them?
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 1
IATA is financed by its members which are the airlines that have joined the organisation. Many airlines are not members of IATA so they can make their own rules. The market shall dictate who shall be the winners.
TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 3
Wow! Wrong on every single count. That’s kind of impressive, in sad way. The vaccine is, in fact, approved and you do not, in any case, have a constitutional right to an airline ticket. That’s a matter of free enterprise, which you “conservatives” used to support. Until you didn’t.
jmadunleavy
John D 3
I'm Conservative, keep me out of this s*it show :)
KineticRider
Randy Marco -2
Present day "Conservatives" are a s*it show on steroids.
artpauly
Art Pauly 1
The airlines are private business but they are controlled by the FAA. Aside from that you need to find out the true facts surrounding the "vaccine". It's not what you have been told on CNN. It is experimental. That's the FDA term not mine. There are other less intrusive ways of dealing with the virus but the media and big pharma don't want you to know about then. Check out americasfrontlinedoctors.com
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 1
“... you do not have a constitutional right to an airline ticket.” Not any more, many countries have rules that you cannot discriminate against people based on their medical conditions. This includes being vaccinated or not. Until now nobody have been checked during pandemics (flue, cholera, dengue fever, typhus, etc...) before boarding a plane. even during Covid-SARS in 2003, there never have been a requisite for testing before boarding a plane. Human rights apply everywhere in public and private environment.
Pete48y
Pete48y 0
No. It’s not approved by the FDA. It was an emergency order that had no animal testing - first time in history that the people became tested animals !!! period!!
jmadunleavy
John D 1
Masks are mandated. Not wearing one will get you kicked off an airplane or arrested when you land.
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 0
...unless you have a medical condition. Also you can drink and eat after removing your mask. I have flown internationally several times during the last 12 months and passengers have been without mask during the lunches, dinners or drinks serving times for almost an hour and nobody complained. So this mask mandate is totally absurd (even crew members are fed up having to wear this mask for 12 or 14 hours. Several times I went in the galleys to get some drinks and snacks and the flight attendants did not have their masks on.
jeliop
John Eliopoulos 3
More Nazi crap that makes you puke. Only the privileged may apply.
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling 3
Keep being stupid. Your idiocy is so constructive. You have no clue of how bad the Nazi were to humanity. My God, have you no shame, or intelligence? You HAVE NO CLUE! I'm embarrassed to be an American when there are people so blinded by hatred and idiocy...

You have no clue...
Pete48y
Pete48y 0
Moron 2.0 still active!
Atwater
Norman Atwater 3
Whats next a Passport to see if you have a Flew shot
onetell99
Philip Taylor 7
I can’t decide if you’re illiterate or the misspelling of flu was a pun
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -8
I'd lay money on the former. America is the 'land of the shackled, and home of the stupid'.

Freedom has become a shield against logic, facts, and empathy. Bravery has become openly practicing racist hatred, being selfish, and being determined to dismiss any attempt to become more informed about reality.

Fox News IS their reality. Fox News profits from their gullibility and rage. They are like drug dealers, selling heroin to their buyers. They sell their hate and rage extremely well. A flash of cleavage, pearly white teeth, and every psychological trick in the book. I just can't see what the long term goal is. When America is in ruins, they lose too. Every rich person that contributes their money to dark groups sponsoring the rage and hatred loses too.

We ALL lose. Why? Is it that important that they 'win', that they kill America, and Australia, and England? Why? Isn't it better if we all respect each other, or is the 'New American Aristocracy' that much of a benefit for the ultra rich.
N888EG
Carl Keil 4
Strangely - I feel that the other news sites which support ANTIFA, BLM, etc, are causing the chaos by sustaining it. Perhaps you should move to Portland and help the cause.
Pete48y
Pete48y 1
Your still a moron!
KineticRider
Randy Marco -2
Sadly Robert, the gullible and ignoramuses are the majority and will work to suppress an educated, intellectual society, always have always will. The repugnant's know they need to keep their base ignorant so they can get re-elected.

Fox Entertainment knows this and is accelerating the demise of America all for graft and profit.

It's so ironic the Broadcast Standards and Practices were a product of the "moral conservatives".
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -1
Beware of the internet liberal grammar expert your opinion is render pointless once this libtards come out of their rat holes! "iLlITeRaCy"
jimjab
Jim Jablonski 1
I never had a flew shot!
N888EG
Carl Keil 1
Yes - to both Flew and Flu. Coming to your neighborhood soon - not just travel accommodation.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 0
Hmmm, per what happen during the 1930's and 1940's in Germany, Christians should have a cross stamp in that passport along with Jewish and Catholics, but hurry get the Vakseeeeeeen passport!
AFL95
AFL95 2
I have been fully vaccinated. Vaccine passports are flat out wrong. Why not a passport for all the other vaccines? What's next? Show me your papers???
srobak
srobak 1
give them the chance - they will do it.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -2
Yep the repugnant's ARE doing it everywhere... but you are oblivious.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -2
Oh the repugnant's already do that in Arizona and are trying to do it everywhere.
DragonflyPR
Luis Lao 2
You can rant, bark to the moon, and all shadows on the Universe, and you will never stop the beasts on a stampede. This Covid-19 is a global pandemonium that all protections and doable alternatives should be executed. If people do not want to accept societal norms, rules, laws, and regulations, they will have to accept the consequences. In this case, they are not allowed to fly!
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 0
Marxist have a way to put their totalitarism trough norms, rules, and regulations, somebody should told this "norms" to the millions they have murder world wide, but heck never mind me and just here for the ratio!
tongo
Dan Grelinger -4
Where were you when AIDS was spreading? Would you have been consistent?
jmadunleavy
John D 4
AIDS is not spread by community contact.
DragonflyPR
Luis Lao 1
Oh yes, and lucky not to have it! I was on all those spring breaks, one nightstand here, there, and everywhere. TG I was not infected. That was just before Rock Hudson, and in the USN, they used to ask you, "Are you related to Rock Hudson? The privacy concern infected many innocent people!
tongo
Dan Grelinger 0
I would suggest that it is not 'privacy' that causes any disease.
KathleenGillis
Kathleen Gillis 2
Every person in China is tracked by everything they do by their phone. What is on the App besides vaccination info.? Inching every day a little bit at a time towards communism. This is for a virus that if you get it you have a 99.2% expectation of full recovery. God have mercy and help us!
dazzlin26
Sabine Simon 2
I say let people be. Those who want to save themselves will take care of themselves. It's just like sex, don't want to catch STDs, aids or get pregnant? You know what to do.
srobak
srobak 2
"letting people be" is the Crux of the matter. In fact - almost all matters. Lately is all about the amount of control that certain people and government entities want to exert over others, and even levels of control that your neighbor wants to exert over you. not long ago this country used to be about respecting each other's wishes and leaving each other the fuck alone. That doesn't happen anymore. To many people wants their way and wants everybody else to conform to their way. that is actually also the very start difference between the left and the right when it comes to the population. The right just wants to have their freedoms and to be left alone. The left wants to control everybody and wants to cancel anything that doesn't conform to their beliefs. This is systemically problematic and is more dangerous than anything that has been brought up with regards to viruses or anything else.
tongo
Dan Grelinger 2
Congratulations srobak! To be the subject of such blind hatred from the king of blind hatred (Randy Marco) is quite the honor. My congratulations!
KineticRider
Randy Marco -2
Just like trump et al that tried to steal back an election they LOST, just like they did in 2000 to get W in office or as they stole two Supreme CT Justices!!

NO srobak the repugnant's want it their way or they want to overthrow our government which FACTUALLY the repugnant fools tried to do and you support!

srobak you are nothing but a ignoramus dolt!
KennyFlys
Ken Lane 2
At altitude, an airline cabin is probably the cleanest and most well-circulated environment possible. But, that's where the airline idiots are the most afraid.

Pathetic.
aurodoc
aurodoc 1
Covid 19 infection is different than other illnesses mentioned since it is airborne transmitted. We have never had a real pandemic since 1918 influenza when only ship travel was in existence. The problem for me is that anyone can forge a vaccination card. There will be difficulty confirming actual vaccinations which are probably collected in each state in some databank. Since this "passport" is all being done after starting vaccination and not thought out beforehand, I think showing your vaccination card is OK and that anyone who is discovered presenting a phony vax card should be fined and banned from flying.
Pete48y
Pete48y 0
I’m glad your not in charge- you’d have people on trains headed for the ovens for not complying with the filthy evil governments of the world. Stuff your experimental drug! Moron!
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 0
Holy Molly, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, and other mass murderer's fall short to what this imbecile suggest, although the tyrant wanna be forgot, to send those forging the Vakseeen PaSsPoRt to interment camps!
redcataviation
Sidney Smith 1
Vhere are your papers?, your papers are not in order, take him away!
AndrewNZ
Andrew Bunker 1
My wife, a nurse, runs travel clinics where patients come to be vaccinated to enable them to travel to certain countries so is the Covid-19 vaccination that different? I do not think I would be happy siting in a aircraft with non-vaccinated passengers it's purely self preservation.
Jlheq
John Hequembourg 1
How is this not a violation of HIPPA laws?
SootBox
SootBox 1
Glad I quit flying commercial. Hello NetJets.
Harpreet7
Harpreet Singh 1
Good initiative
rlmanning
Randy Manning 1
I for one, will not put up with this shit!! i will not fly on a airline that makes me wear a mask, and tracks my health!!
Its Communist!! Marxist!! dictatorship!! We live in the USA not Russia, or China!!!
Anybody that goes alone with this shit is a fool and there sheep!!
jmadunleavy
John D 2
Their not there
A10Thunderbolt
Alan Sanderson 1
How does that saying go: Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an Idiot, than to open it and confirm same.
tomasz2013
tomasz dabrowski 0
bahahaha
enjoy your 3 week boat trip to Europe
evereddie
Edward Luczak 0
Seems like the beginning of the end of HIPAA.
dbtinc
Jim Capone 0
Not a bad idea ...
aurodoc
aurodoc 0
HIPPA law isn’t what most people think it is. Plenty of others can access records including your insurance company. Cancer registries can get that information and if you have certain communicable diseases like syphilis your information is sent without your permission
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -3
By that measurement, can you get Big Mike Obama's records, so we can put to rest whether a Trany or not a Trany!
Quirkyfrog
Robert Cowling -4
Not even the beginning of the end of HIPAA...
paultrubits
paul trubits -1
paultrubits
paul trubits 2
If you work with HIPPA(I do)you will find that your thoughts are misguided.
mikeenderle
Michael Enderle 0
I won't do it. If I never fly again, so be it. This is too far. Bodily integrity is a must.
kjjmac
Karen McCullough 3
Apparently you are unaware that a plane is one of the safest places to be. With fresh air being recirculated every minute or so and the mask mandate, I’d RATHER be in a plane! In fact, my husband and I flew from the East coast to Monterey, Ca last October. No repercussions whatsoever. Already booked another trip there for September. If you want to live your life in seclusion, great! That’s one less person on my whale watch of catamaran sail.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 0
could not have say it any better, Bravo!
KineticRider
Randy Marco 0
Good glad you'll never be on my flights.
crashandburn
tom mcdo 0
i don't have an iphone. dont want a covid passport. for all those who feared a tracking device in the covid shot.... well the passport is the tracker.
CCW1
John Prukop 1
Get the SWAB "test" - you get Nanoparticles deposited in your brain barrier up the nasal passage. Get the JAB - and you get Nanoparticles, DARPA Hydrogel and Lucerfrase. Nice huh? And they have the GALL to call it a "vaccine!" WAKE-UP! It's NOT a vaccine. Wanna know the truth? Try these vids - and turn the TEL-A-LIE-VISION OFF as well as the Federal PROPAGANDA outlets like the FAA and the FCC!

Wow, this is from FOX mainstream! This guy tells the absolute truth about FRAUDSTER FAUCI!
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/anthony-fauci-is-a-sociopath/

DR. SHERRI TENPENNY EXPLAINS HOW THE DEPOPULATION COVID VACCINES WILL START WORKING IN 3-6 MONTHS: https://www.bitchute.com/video/nCJgZLroYJiK/

Dr. Stefan Lanka, Virologist with Dr. Thomas Cowan, MD Explain how YOU are being fooled by a non-existent virus! https://www.bitchute.com/video/imBT7vgYEzs5/

Bill Gates and The End Of America: https://www.darkmoon.me/2021/bill-gates-and-the-end-of-america/

Besides the videos above with Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, MD and Virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka with Dr. Thomas A. Cowan, MD – the one you all need to concentrate on is this one by Dr. Carrie Madej, MD – who will tell you all about TRANSHUMANISM:

https://visionlaunch.com/dr-carrie-madej-an-urgent-wake-up-call-about-new-covid-19-vaccine/

THESE ARE NOT OPINIONS - BUT FACTS FROM THOSE WHO KNOW. YOU'D BETTER BE WAKING UP REAL FAST.
artpauly
Art Pauly 0
Those that promote the vaccine say that if you get it you will not get the CCP Virus and you can't spread it to others. So if you get the vaccine, why would you care if the person next you did not get it? Next, polls say about 50% of the population say they will not get the vaccine. That's probably high but 1/3 will not take it. The airlines are cutting out 1/3 of their potential customers for no real reason
craiglgood
Craig Good -1
This old "if you're vaccinated why do you care?" trope from anti-vaxxers is tired and stupid. Look up how herd immunity works.

Anybody who refuses vaccination you is truly being a sociopath besides inviting harm to themselves. Those people don't deserve to be where other people are, and that includes on airliners.
stevepeck1
Steve Peck 4
I would like to understand this argument. Let’s say the guy breathing in the row behind you is stupid. You cannot catch his stupid because you are inoculated… You have an education. Why therefore should anyone care if they are on a plan filled with stupid which they cannot catch? Seriously.
artpauly
Art Pauly 3
Typical. All you can do is resort to personal attacks and insults. You offer NO facts to show why I am wrong.
cwinston
Cheryl Winston 2
A number of people who receive a vaccine (any vaccine) may have less functional immune systems (blood cancers, etc.) For instance, even with increasing age, the immune system is not as functional and a robust response to the vaccine may not be as likely. Sure, maybe fewer will now die and end up in the hospital (as is suggested in the data), but one still does not want to get this illness due to potential long-lasting illness and disability. In addition, herd immunity requires a great number of people to be vaccinated so that the disease is tamped down (much like with smallpox, measles, and polio) protecting the community and lowering the potential for the disease to mutate as it spreads.
MHunkler
Michael Hunkler 5
Unlike measles, smallpox and polio, immunization for COVID allows the “immune “ to catch and carry the disease.
MHunkler
Michael Hunkler 1
Herd immunity only works if immunity to the virus is possible. Current “vaccines” don’t convey immunity, they lessen the symptoms in the people that get infected because they believe they are immune.
srobak
srobak 0
sooo.... the government needs to Pr0t3cT uS fR0m OuR5eLv35 ??? lol. ok Craig
bcfd29
Pete Schecter 0
this is going to make life much easier for the traveling public and the airline crew members who need to verify their test and vaccination status; the sooner the better. currently every country as a different form, requirement, and verifying this take an incredible amount of time and frustrates many customers who did not get the correct test or result have expired. great step forward...
ballgamer2
David Lisko 0
Why, when I received my first shot, was given a CDC card indicating I had completed the first vaccination and after the second vaccination again my card was updated. I have taped this card in my passport. Sounds like this is a possible profit center for the Biden administration. It won't do a damned bit of good.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez 0
The enemy's of Freedom (our Constitution) will never be satisfied until they have total control of every American, with a senile Old Crook in office (Stolen) and Obama running things behind doors, freedom dies every passing second!
trialdog
Jeff Klemp -1
Some of us have had COVID and recovered. There is no medical evidence of statistically significant reinfection. In fact, vaccinations don't claim greater immunity than recovered COVID immunity. But airlines and some states want proof of vaccination without consideration for recovered COVID patients, who have natural immunity. This is discrimination against persons based on recovered COVID status. "Passports" should identify recovered COVID, negative COVID test results, and the vaccinated.
pwahle2012
Patrick Wahle 0
Airlines are public transportation. They have been rescued so many times because of tax payers funds. They use public facilities like airports, FAA, ATC paid and maintained by tax dollars. So they cannot hide behind being a private corporation to refuse service to the general public. Then tomorrow the NY transit shall do the same and stop access to millions users who have paid the salaries of NY Transit employees, maintained the network and financed the new investment in rolling cars.
If tomorrow a majority of people decide to have an embargo on the airline industry then the whole economy goes bankrupt (aircraft manufacturers and suppliers, airports, construction and maintenance companies, chambers of commerce which finance the airports, shuttle buses, utilities corporations, oils and gas companies, etc...). One thing is certain, the airline industry shall loose. Blackmailing is never profitable because other companies (outside of IATA) shall take over the business.
KineticRider
Randy Marco -1
You really need a education.
ifbac
ifbac -1
Kathleen remarks below are spot on!
I've attach a 17 min. video from a Chinese immigrant who will explain how the Chinese are tracked from birth tell death.
https://www.facebook.com/lily4liberty/videos/2886663861616364/
cmusgrove9
Christopher Musgrove -5
I’m certain that the crackpot of the ages, Fauci, approves.
jmadunleavy
John D 0
Well, if nothing else is evident from the conspiracies being tossed around on this thread, it’s confirmed that arguing with the insane is a fruitless endeavor.
tongo
Dan Grelinger -1
jmadunleavy
John D 1
biggkurtt
biggkurtt -1
Why do so many persons who can get or will get vaccinated worry about others who do not want to wear a mask or get vaccinated? They are protected, right? And I would think that those same people would be glad to see the anti maskers and anti vaxers contract covid.
lgoodyear
Linda Lou Goodyear -4
We still have a year maybe two working thru the variants of this virus, maybe a yearly vaccine forever. If a certificate or app allows me to travel which helps, repeat only helps contain the spread, why not? All you 1984 types will still get to travel when you want, go where you want and do what you want when you get there.
cookiepotter550
Marguerite Potter -3
one more way to track us and therefore control us. Why bother when we reach - oh, what are the goal posts now??? Vaccinating babies?
cvose
Charles Vose 0
John McKay...Thank You!
A10Thunderbolt
Alan Sanderson -1
When a "Destination" entity decides that the incoming airlines must PRE "screen" travellers, either by demanding an "approved" negative test or perhaps just PROOF of two shots and a MASK, that is their right. It has nothing to do with the US Constitution or your "individual" rights as you may see them.
Our local "state" government has already come out with an APP, part of which will accomplish the same thing as the future IATA APP which will be proof of vaccination or as some are CALLING it: A VAXX PASSPORT.
Since I'm already providing the GLOBAL ENTRY/NEXUS systems at the airport all the information they require to qualify as a PRE-CLEARANCE traveller, I don't have any problem ADDING the VAXX info to my Govt Health APP or to the IATA APP. Whatever is best for me to quickly pass through the PRE-CLEARANCE line works for me.
Those that can't or won't get these "clearances" have a different line where they can "explain" their problems to the always receptive government agents while I've already gone on my way.
MichaelScallan
Michael Scallan 4
I have a GLOBAL Entry card, and TSA pre-check status. These systems have NEVER required me to inject a drug into my body. You do what you want to do. If the airline REQUIRE a vaccination, then I will charter an aircraft and get to my destination, probably faster than you will.
A10Thunderbolt
Alan Sanderson 0
Fill your boots !
azuresc
Lanny Word -1
Then problem solved. But I hate to tell you, you will still required to show your proof of vaccinations or negative test to enter other countries that require it.
MichaelScallan
Michael Scallan 2
A negative test is no problem. But 95% of my travel is within the USA.
ThomasNygard
Thomas Nygard -5
The only "personal insults and attacks" by anyone regarding this topic is the US Government shoving this unnecessary vaccine down our throats.
jmadunleavy
John D 3
What area of the US is shoving the unnecessary vaccine down anyone's throat? As far as I am aware the vaccine is voluntary and nothing I have seen or heard varies from that.
ThomasNygard
Thomas Nygard 1
Being forced to utilize a "passport" or show evidence of a vaccine on one's mobile devise, or any other manner, certainly renders this mandatory. At least for anyone with visions of moving more then 500 miles from home.
ThomasNygard
Thomas Nygard -2
We simply, and, scientifically, do not have a pandemic! Do the math and read the statistics. In a nutshell, roughly 99.75% of anyone that catches this "flu" recovers from it. The death rate, the true number of which is closely guarded by all of the world organizations, is so minuscule that it will not show up on a basic graph. Not to demean anyone's losses, but this "flu" virus is "medically, statistically irrelevant.
TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 2
Ah, another graduate of the Close Cover Before Striking School of Medicine and Motel Management.

Everything you wrote was false. Quite and accomplishment. And not in a good way.
jc67RAD
Juan Ordonez -1
Says the Chinese Communist Party peddler whore!
garyguy2115
Gary Guy -3
This goes against our constitutional rights and what about our medical privacy rights (HIPA)? The post 9/11 airline experience was bad enough without making it worse.
TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 4
This has nothing to do with HIPA (about which you apparently know nothing) and you do not have a constitutional right to an airline ticket. Get a grip.
jmadunleavy
John D 1
ifbac
ifbac -4
Kathleen remarks below are spot on!
I've attach a 17 min. video from a Chinese immigrant who will explain how the Chinese are tracked from birth tell death.
https://www.facebook.com/lily4liberty/videos/2886663861616364/
vjmcpartland
Vincent McPartland -1
FloridaBob
Robert Maus -1
A Vaccine Passport is a great idea regardless of what any of the feeble minded folks try to do. They would probably say "irregardless" somehow. Trust science remember STEM.
wfmihok
William Mihok -6
Screw IATA and the Air Lines.The US Air Lines get money from our Government, AKA us.

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TheDogeof88
Chuck Lavazzi 7
I think we’ve all had our fill of quacks, liars, and conspiracy flakes. Please take your lunacy elsewhere.

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