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Cabin Pressurization Issue Causes Emergency Landing

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Delta flight from ATL to FLL has cabin pressure issue, makes emergency landing at TPA. (www.newsweek.com) עוד...

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666adt
Andrew Turnbull 17
Newsweek has long since stopped being reliable or reputable. Using "plunge" to describe this event just further cements their lack of credibility.
ddbguru
Ben Seidman 28
What is scary is that the reporting makes it sound like the plane plunged 30,000 feet out-of-control. It is absolutely normal and proper, should a cabin pressurization problem occur, for the pilot to take the plane down quickly to an altitude where passengers can breathe without supplemental oxygen.
ghoyne
Gary Hoyne 6
I agree the article makes the sudden loss of altitude sound uncontrolled, and I wasn’t aboard this flight - but from the viewpoint of the people in back, all you know is that you’re dropping fast. You don’t know if this is a controlled action that will end well - or not. But on the other hand, I want the pilot focused on flying the plane through the emergency, not parsing his words with the passengers about what’s going on.
yr2012
matt jensen 6
WSB reported with bated breath....sensationalized journalism
alexa320
alex hidveghy 3
Aviate, navigate, communicate. Notice what is #3 here?
btweston
btweston -1
Sure, but a cabin pressurization problem is neither normal nor proper.

Like, is it a big deal to use a defibrillator on someone having a heart attack?
alexa320
alex hidveghy 1
True, but the actions taken by the crew were very proper. It’s even in their QRH and regularly practiced in their bi-annual sim checks!
aburgtorf01
Allen Burgtorf 13
I was actually on the flight. I have 2.5m miles flying on Delta. I am however not a pilot. It was not a "plunge" but a rapid descent and if you have flown a lot you likely knew what was going on. At no time did I feel we were out of control. It was however for many a very scary situation because of the unknown primarily caused by the oxygen masks deploying which caused passengers to panic. The pilots were great and the flight attendants did an excellent job. A lot of passengers though did struggle with the experience in the cabin exasperating what was otherwise a very manageable situation led my an excellent team at Delta .
jmadunleavy
John D 2
Understanding you may not actually know, but were you able to determine if there was an actual depressurization problem or was it an errant warning?

aburgtorf01
Allen Burgtorf 2
It was an errant warning light and in an abundance of caution the pilot (who I spoke with) decided upon the rapid "controlled" descent. The oxygen masks deployed "automatically" and were not deployed by the captain. The plane did exactly what it was supposed to do. Again, what makes this so "newsworthy" is it doesn't happen often and the personal reaction and "feelings" of those in the cabin as it was transpiring.
Relics
Relics 1
Was it a 757 or 767?
jmadunleavy
John D 1
Just checked, 767, seems unusual for a short hop from ATL to FLL, but maybe its goes someplace more exotic where a 2 aisle frame is needed
PlanePanda
Ryan P 1
It apparently had a similar issue in 2017. https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/reg/N1608
nasdisco
Chris B 1
Holy smokes. Both reports indicate it was the same aircraft N1608 involved in the two depressurization events.

Its rare to have one event, let alone two.....

Warrants further investigation.

https://www.aeroinside.com/item/13744/delta-b763-near-tampa-on-sep-18th-2019-loss-of-cabin-pressure

https://www.aeroinside.com/item/10084/delta-b763-near-london-on-aug-13th-2017-loss-of-cabin-pressure
Relics
Relics 1
Was thinking the same, I fly that route pretty frequently and it’s always been a 757 with the occasional 737.
alexa320
alex hidveghy 1
Doesn’t say in the narrative link but they do have a stock photo of a B757-200. So, who knows. I suppose one could research it and see what type operated this flight.
Relics
Relics 1
Looked it up, was indeed a 767. Very strange for the route.
indy2001
indy2001 2
Weekends are generally busy at FLL due to the large number of cruise ships that turn around on Saturday and Sunday at the nearby Port Everglades cruise terminal. With the recent increase in ship size that can mean 10,000 passengers or more trying to fly home. We've flown ATL-FLL several times for cruises and are due for another in February. All of our flights have been scheduled on 757s, although once a 767 was substituted at the last minute due to unexpectedly large passenger counts after one cruise with 5000+ pax was canceled at the last minute. Glad everyone on this flight suffered nothing more than a scare.
monicacramer
monica cramer 1
wthomp1476
Danny Thompson 11
Newsweek called rapid decent a plunge. The flight crew was in control at all times. So the term plunge is only used embellishment and does not accurately reflect the situation. So credibility not withstanding.
PSUAth
Supercool Marmol 4
CNN also called it a plunge. Once I saw that they had pressure issues, i realized it was the controlled decent to get below 10k. Just clickbait
PlainSpeaking
Brent Bahler 7
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2353/history/20190918/1941Z/KATL/KTPA
btweston
btweston 13
30,000 feet “in just seven minutes” is 4285 ft/min. That’s... not so crazy. They just freaked out about the oxygen masks, which is understandable.

Also, some commenters scoff at this as though it were a non-event. A plane full of people losing cabin pressure at 39,000 feet (a failure of the machine) is certainly newsworthy.
PSUAth
Supercool Marmol 2
72ft/sec 7 stories in 1 second. it's not wild, but it's also not gentle drop.

but again, it's a non-event as it was safely executed maneuver. the jet losing pressure (either dirctly or a failure of the pressure sensor/system) that's the story.
alexa320
alex hidveghy 1
I can see it from the passengers viewpoint. However, how many non aviators would even know what hypoxia is or the need to get down lower very quickly?
The crew are trained. And they have regular sim checks and I can guarantee that this event is one they practice more than once in their careers. What they did is PERFECTLY NORMAL for the situation. In fact, it’s mandated.
Jackx9
Don Quixote 9
Haha, the media once again blowing something up and making it much more scary than it really was. "Plunging 30,000 ft" meaning like it fell straight out of the sky? Clickbait headlines. This flight descended quickly, but normally for landing without any issues.
donmwatson
D Watson 3
I had to shake my head when I heard this report.
Years ago I was on an Ozark Air Lines DC-9 from STL to FLL. After levelling off, the cabin crew started serving lunch. Just as I got a meal tray, my ears popped and cold air started blowing from the overhead vents. Almost simultaneously, the flight attendants looked at one another, the oxygen masks deployed, the pilot pulled back the throttles and pointed the nose down. I had to grab the food tray to keep it from spilling in my lap
The cabin crew quickly stowed the lunch service and assisted passengers. There was no panic.
One of the pilots announced there was a pressurization problem and we would be returning to STL.
What I remember most is that after speaking to the pax, the pilot left his mask mic open and along with the cockpit crew conversation, we heard breathing throughout the cabin. This got a good laugh and everyone remained relaxed. Very professional crew. I miss flying Ozark.
My only other pressurization event was on a C-130 night flight from Saigon to DaNang with 80 vietnamese nationals holding on to straps across the cargo floor. The rear loading door blew its seal and the alarm bell went off. That was a little bit more interesting.
jmadunleavy
John D 2
Anybody know if the the cabin actually lost pressure or what there just a warning. The article I read suggested it was an alarm that went off but did not say that there was actual depressurization.
Yazoo
Yazoo 3
It's been a while since I flew the B767 but I believe that at 10,000 ft cabin altitude the crew gets a warning horn/siren and light. The Seatbelt and no smoking lights automatically illuminate. The masks drop at a cabin altitude of 14,000ft. The cockpit has the option to manually drop the masks. My guess would be that they were busy enough to just let the masks deploy on their own. There's a lot going on in the cockpit donning their masks and coordinating the descent.
ssobol
Stefan Sobol 2
One of the items on the emergency descent checklist is to operate the manual deploy switch for the O2 masks, just in case they don't deploy automatically.
Relics
Relics 1
Strangely enough, I didn’t know Delta operated the 767 on that route. I fly the ATL-FLL many times in the month and it’s usually the 757.
darjr26
darjr26 2
I just hope all the “comfort animals” were able to get their masks on too. Knowing it was Delta I’m sure there were some onboard.
dkgambler
Dean Kennedy 4
I was on the flight and, sadly, my emotional support hyena did not survive. Please think of him in your prayers.
robertg330
robertg330 5
I feel for you! I was on the plane with my emotional support honey badger... but he didn't give a sh$t.
PSUAth
Supercool Marmol 3
tHOUGHTS AND PRAYERS
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
LoL. Im sure my comfort Tasmanian devil would have loved it.
aecsdr
Chris DiCenso 1
I have a question for Allen Burgtoff who was on the flight.

Did the flight crew inform the passengers why the masks dropped and why they were making the rapid decent? I mean during the event, not afterwards. That would have helped reduce the fear factor tremendously.
jrlazar4
JR Lazar 1
a controlled descent should have been preceded by acknowledgement by one of the flight crew - hey folks, we've got a warning light and out of an abundance of caution we're going to make a rapid descent and divert to Tampa...don't be alarmed if/when the oxygen masks deploy...all will be okay. Can't understand why that wasn't done.
FrankBarber
Frank Barber 1
News folks can be dramatic, but there is a serious reason that the aircraft has to get down quickly. The laws of Physics defines that a liquid or gas will always move from an area of high pressure to low pressure. When a cabin suddenly depressurizes, your lung pressure is higher than the cabin pressure so unless you have available oxygen under high pressure you are going to get hypoxic very quickly. The passenger mask has a flow but very little pressure, thankfully, the pilots are getting pressurized oxygen but there is limited time available to get the aircraft to 15,000, which it is certified to do in 4 minutes. Of course you would not stop at 15,000, terrain permitting. The idea is get everybody to a level where the pressure is high enough that the lungs will begin to absorb oxygen normally. We have to remember there is probably a wide variety of healthy people some more needy that others.
bbabis
Bill Babis 1
During the pre-takeoff safety briefing the attendants address the possible loss of cabin pressure as no big deal and mention the masks will drop and how to use them. They do not mention the possible sharp pains you may feel, the possible loud noise you may hear, the possible fogging that looks like smoke you may see, or the very rapid but controlled descent that the plane will make to get them down to where they can breathe because they never listen to the safety briefing and don't use the masks correctly.
anthony96
anthony96 -2
Captain is a hero
bigjulie
Julius Thompson 2
The Captain, I'm sorry to say, is not a hero, he was doing what he is trained to do!
aecsdr
Chris DiCenso 1
I totally agree! We bandy the word "Hero" around way too much these days. It also irks me to hear the phase "Sports Hero" and the like. Does any sports player really rate the label "Hero" just because he/she made the winning play?

wdchuck1
chuck berlin -1
Shame on the media - Irresponsible reporting like this gives the "fake news" proponents ammunition'

this plane didn't PLUNGE - it descended rapidly and totally within the limits of the airframe - i am also quite certain that there were no overspeed or other warnings

Shame on you Newsday, CNN and other outlets that profit by turning non-events into "news"

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