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Battle Shapes up Over Video Cameras in Airline Cockpits

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Allen Jones 5
Somehow, I can only see the first few lines without subscribing to a publication. This discourages people from reading the squawks.
Colin Seftel 4
Isn't it time that commercial jets also had cameras located so that the pilots can view critical areas such as the engines, rudder, elevators, landing gear, etc. I've read of accidents caused by the wrong engine being shut down, or icing where the crew couldn't see it, and incidents where aircraft have had to make low passes to allow an observer to try to inspect the condition of the undercarriage.
Rob Kemperman 2
Just have a camera in the cockpit showing the rest of the crew or passengers whats going on. Nothing wrong with privacy.
bbabis 1
It will come to pass if for no other reason than for the person controlling the airplane on the ground to "see" what is going on up there. In that case they'd be mandatory.

Now, back to today's real life. Cameras can be an enhancement. Not just in the cockpit but in many other areas of the aircraft as Colin Seftel stated below. I might add baggage holds as another area. Videos can also be used in training to see how to do it right as well as wrong.
preacher1 2
We are about 2 weeks away from the crash of AA 191 in 1979 at ORD. If he had've had something on the outside showing him how bad things really were and that he had truly LOST an engine, he'd have probably trashed the checklist and kept it flying. As it was, he throttled back per the list and that's when he went down.
bbabis 1
Interesting that that airplane and others then had cockpit cameras. The view from between the pilots out the front window was one of the selections that the stews could select to show on the bulkhead TVs. I believe comm1 or comm2 was also a selection on the armrest audio. If you got things right, it was like riding jumpseat. Besides "hold what ya got," I think that is one of the many things that accident changed.
preacher1 2
Best I remember, and that has been almost 36 years ago. All he knew was that he had lost an engine, with no idea that it was that bad. For losing an engine the checklist was correct but for the different aero on an engine being completely GONE, it was a death knell.
bbabis 1
Yes, he had only seconds to link the left roll with the pitch up and speed loss and to put the nose back down.
preacher1 1
Yeah, chances are for a regular EO, he wouldn't have even had to go to the checklist. Don't know if he could have done any different with a camera showing it. That's one of them Oh S%^& moments. Sad part is, as it was a takeoff, cabin crew probably still had the Wi-Fi on the front and everybody got to see the ground coming up. We'll never know and anything on flight characteristics is all speculation. Hindsight is 20-20. They crashed. Everybody died and it was mx's fault, with Airline and Boeing giving tacit approval.
preacher1 1
I said Boeing out of habit. This still very much in MD days, and while MD would not recommend that engine/pylon change, they didn't report it to the FAA either.
Scott Campbell 1
remove and forget - sorry...waste of time
Ken Graham 0
OK pilots lets go back to the 1970's. Now remember when the cockpits did have Camera's in them on the aft bulkhead the cockpit doors are on. The captain would often entertain the passengers by showing on the one big screen in first class, and one big screen in the main cabin area. what they were doing during the takeoff phase and again on the approach to landing and taxi to the terminal. These were mainly put in the major airlines like Braniff and Pan American Airlines. The captain was always in control of what was said and shown. He had his hand on the on/off video camera switch. So why not go back to doing this with one exception. The captain can not turn in off and all flight recorders were no where they could get to when the engines were turning. The flight attendants already have the ability to control what is on all the video screens in first class and business and coach. So just shut up and do it. Also make these transmissions sent to the respective airlines control ops rooms on the ground. Let the public know this and nobody will try and skyjack an commercial airline again. Problem solved back then and history can repeat itself. Good luck figuring this one around the airlines budgets and safe flying for all. Thank you for reading this one.
linbb -4
Why shouldn't they have video cams in the cockpit? Transit bus drivers have them
they not only help when there is a question as to who is at fault but also helps
when there are problems with the driver. Nothing different that the airline pilot
who might think they are above being videoed because of there job. Might help weed
out the trash in the cockpit.
30west 3
"Might help weed out the trash in the cockpit.", how dare you! How many cockpits of major U.S., Canadian, Northern European, and some Pacific Rim and Middle Eastern Airlines have you flown in to justify such an outrageous statement?

The safety records of these carriers are impeccable. It is not a matter of chance, luck, or Divine intervention that produced these results: but a combination of frequent quality training and evaluation, adherence to procedures developed over time that maximize the likelihood of a safe operation each and every time, a strong corporate safety culture, and many thousands of flight hours of experience in the cockpit. Airlines with these qualities tend to identify the weak links in the safety chain, be it a procedure or a crew member, and correct the situation.

The intent of DCVR/CVR recordings is for the sole purpose of accident and incidents investigation with those recordings never heard by anyone except the investigators. Redacted transcripts of these recordings after an investigation can be made public. Airlines are prohibited from using these recordings for any other reason. They cannot use them for checking crew compliance with procedures, evaluating crew morale or identifying malcontents, or another reason. The same would apply to video recordings, if ever mandated.
marcuccione 1
While "trash" is probably not the word I would have used, as a former school bus driver, the camera saved my bacon multiple times. From an accident investigation point of view, it would aid tremendously. In my case, it was often a way to prove my point.
preacher1 2
Unions will fight it tooth & nail as they did CVR's, which is why they are restricted to 2 hours. CVR recording were not to go to the public, so everybody swore and agreed. 1 leaked and the floodgates were opened. CVR recordings, in a lot of cases these days, have gone to the before the families. Not good in fatality crashes. That said, noble cause but a good standing platform as well. This will be the same.

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