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Ground vehicle hits nose of American MD80 at BWI

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An American Airlines official says a tow vehicle on the ground hit the nose of a parked jet at Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport (www.seattlepi.com) עוד...

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dsull
Dan Sullivan 4
I was at the park next to 33L at BWI yesterday and got a picture of this plane landing. I wonder if I happened to catch the last time this plane ever flies pax?
http://flightaware.com/photos/view/1126680-741bef8954edf3c173212b87bcaac89b8b744993/all/sort/date/page/1
Mcali6301
Michael Cali 2
Most likely, I wouldn't even think they were getting the new paint scheme...
preacher1
preacher1 1
It looks like an expensive hit. At 1st blush, it looks like it got the radar and probably into some of the electronics bay. With the early Mad Digs on the block for sale/trade/scrap, you may have very well gotten the last flight.
dee9bee
dee9bee 1
It's got at least ONE more flight to go: A ferry flight to Roswell where many of it's siblings are in mothballs...
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
LOL, I doubt it... An impact like that will probably ground it.. It will probably join its fellow grounded planes arriving by truck in pieces.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Might it not be cheaper to replace the radome with another used one of similar vintage, than to disassemble the entire plane and truck it cross country.
preacher1
preacher1 2
probably will and that is probably what will be done if nothing else, such as the nose gear or other electronics, are not damaged.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
When a Tug hits a plane they usually don't stop on a dime... Any driver of a tug that hits a plane is NOT paying attention. If he hit the RADOME, the first order if business is what underlying damage is there... If they are lucky they got by with minor bulkhead damage and since it is a pressure bulk head they may have to due repairs there. They may b eable to do a temp repair, but Fairy is not possible with bulk head damage.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I thought they could ferry if the didn't pressurize and stayed under 10 grand
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
When you have a dent or potential crack it is difficult to do because it is a structural area... that is where all the stringers come together up front... A dent up there could affect a stringer and also your over structure of the aircraft... Engineering will have to evaluate to see if they can ferry that way.. But too much structural damage will knock it down...

Note Japan Airlines Flight 123 that crashed on crashed into two ridges of Mount Takamagahara. Even though this was from a repair that was done in correctly (by Boeing) it was a bulkhead failure that caused the crash. At the point they went down, they were of course pressurized, but still below 10K I believe when they lost their Vertical Stabilizer.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Thanks. I wasn't imagining the potential damage to the structural elements and bulkhead. The reports kept focusing in the radome. So my comment would only be relevant is the damage was almost exclusively in the radome as reported.

If the structure or bulkhead was involved, that may drastically change the calculus.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
The news media only knows what they are told.... the Radome area covers a lot of space... If it was as simple as a Radome, it would have been replaced and a/c out of there before the news had time to report it. It takes 5 minutes to change one of those... 2 pins on a hinge and 4 quick lock fasteners and done.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
They had pretty nasty weather at BWI at the time, with slippery ground conditions.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I seriously doubt that the tug weighing as many tons as it does and as slow as it moves slid on that ice... That ramp is almost perfectly flat... If for some reason he was going that fast and did slid then that operator needs to go job hunting after his drug test.
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
I drive a 10 ton truck. That same day, just a little south of there, it slid 50 feet, from my parking spot to the end of my driveway. I was doing under 10 mph at the time and the truck is equipped with winter tires. It was a slippery, slushy mess that day.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Those tugs as slow as they move, from experience, just won't slide that much... It is very rare unless they are on a grade and the ramp there is flat. Not likely it slid
Bernie20910
Bernie20910 1
Looking at the photos though I see the ground was clear there at the time of the accident, so it's a moot point how far a tug might slide on ice/slush. Not a factor here.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Depends on how bad that radar is damaged. It may go by tuck. LOL. Kinda looks like they were shoving and the towbar slipped. Who knows. It's tore up anyway.
aeroplanepics0112
Cole Goldberg 1
Would you like to upload that photo to OPShots.net?
aeroplanepics0112
Cole Goldberg 3
More photos of the plane can be seen here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561017/I-hope-youre-insured-American-Airlines-flight-cancelled-push-truck-driver-crashed-nose-plane-gate.html
or here: http://www.veooz.com/photos/GsxYIf.html
mrbill767
mrbill767 3
Miss those powerbacks. Good chance of ground communication screw up. Maybe pushed when brakes were still set.
preacher1
preacher1 1
They are saying that he wasn't shoving. As far as the powerbacks, I know Eastern tried them for a bit, but after a couple that wound up inside the terminal at ATL when they just upped throttles and didn't reverse thrust, they quit. LOL
mrbill767
mrbill767 1
Did it all the time at my airline. Never a problem. Just had to have everyone on the same page.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Geez... Slow news day... Why is this even in the news.... We had a fuel truck to back into the wing, Warped the wing spar and bounced the plane about 5 feet and even punctured the fuel truck and that never made the news... this is just bad reporting, and never should have been in the news in the first place.
Rojomoulton
John Moulton 1
... How did he hit the nose cone?
aeroplanepics0112
Cole Goldberg 1
Maybe the tow bar was not properly connected?
mrbill767
mrbill767 1
R/R radome. A lot of revenue loss but cost could go up even more if electronics destroyed. My bet is back in service within 3 days if AA can get a radome delivered. But for AA, the entire DC area is an after thought for the boys at DFW.
HGreen
Herb Green 1
N499AA shows a delivery date of 9/89, so that doesn't help its chances for returning to service. The ex-TWA MD-80s are the newest in American's fleet delivered up to about 2000. If it's any structural damage beyond just replacing the radome, I'd say it's bye-bye. Nose gear looks like it got twisted, maybe by the tug hitting the tow bar and kicking it around. Damage to it?
HGreen
Herb Green 1
The first cockpit crew communication to ATC (Ground Control) concerned getting help for the tug driver, concern for the person's safety. The cockpit crew had not requested pushback, so I don't think the tug/towbar/aircraft connection had ever been made. Tug seemed to just run into the plane, unless the tow bar kicked to the side when they were trying to connect the tug to it.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
"The first cockpit crew communication to ATC (Ground Control) concerned getting help for the tug driver, concern for the person's safety."

"The female driver of the truck was taken to the hospital for knee pain and released."

-- I imagined the pilot to be the proverbial piloy - a guy - but considered the possibility the pilot was a woman after the report of concern for the driver of the vehicle. But imagining the tow vehicle driver as a hot headed driver, I was thinking the driver to be a guy.

-- Reality surprised me.

" 'Something didn’t work as intended and the push-back tractor struck the landing gear,' American Airlines spokesman."

-- You don't say? What was the first clue?
bizjets101
biz jets 1
Photo; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgoPG4pIEAAQWVq.jpg
rwb2112
rwb2112 1
Pretty hard hit!
jshhmr
josh homer 1
Reminds me of the bus driver for AE at DFW. Had a bus full of pax and ran it into an F100. He was fired by Bob Crandall personally. Poor guy.
preacher1
preacher1 1
You do have to wonder how it happened, with it staring at him and nothing else around. Maybe his cell phone rang or his foot slipped and hit the gas. Either way and for whatever reason, it crunched and has put a plane O/S for a good while, if not forever. That ain't cool.
jshhmr
josh homer 1
This was in 1997. Ran into the wing and caused serious damage to the Fokker, as we'll as a few injuries on the bus from glass. If my memory is correct he was watching out for an ATR when he hit the F100.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal -4
Or may be the guy was an Asian immigrant ! And hence the negligence !
preacher1
preacher1 5
You said that, not me. I believe you are making prejudicial assumptions very early this morning.
jshhmr
josh homer 1
AK, I once saw an Asian woman back a pickup truck into a single car garage like she was a reincarnated Dale Earnhardt. Stereotypes are silly.
akayemm
Er.A.K. Mittal 0
Will ONE silly Asian make for the whole Asian population , billions of them ?
Ain't plenty Americans pretty foolish on plenty of occasions ?
It's all human, nothing to do with ethnicity !
Av8nut
Michael Fuquay 1
I've seen some drive them like their racecars. Could've had just a little too much fun.

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